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You are a dog hating idiot, pretending your hate only is restricted on the Pit Bull, while your real goal is to ban all big breeds. If you really would care for the safety of humans and animals, you would focus on laws for obtaining a dog (or any pet), to breed and how to keep and taking care of them.

i think thats a lie, here are clips of the same horse where she puts on blanket and a saddle and i bet many hours of work was done before showing those clipsā€¦

Gosh, Nico, this you could say to any video I post to you, as I never could prove the trainer did not some extra training before the video released. And yes, as the video I posted starts with that horse already having a saddle on it, she must have done this before. What a surprise you found videos of her showing this. :roll_eyes:

I learned you prefer to hold on to your prejudice anyway.

i could but i wouldnt say that unless i thought so

its not prejudice, its simple logic, just think about how this is not a foal and how much time it would take before a rope can be placed around that horses neck, before it will walk along with you etc etc

again not stating this trainer is a bad person, it looks like she loves horses very much and is very gentle in her actions, but all those actions have a purpose and that purpose is not for the benefit of the horse

iam basically saying there are many ways you can put on handcuffs, in the end they are still handcuffs

I give up, Nico. Congratulations.

just think about it :wink:

lol its not about a competition who is right or wrong, it should be all about what is best for the horse

Well, then you better suggest to kill all humans for good and animals as well, come to think of it, as also animals abuse other animals.

as a pacifist i see that not as a solution but as giving upā€¦
am sure there are better ways to improve things for everyone, it just requires some thinking and caring for others

Well, then why are you still eating animal products? Even if you would only eat organic food of the highest standard, there is also used violence while keeping them. I donā€™t even speak of killing them.

Are you solely eating such high-end organic food anyway?

Omg, lol. Ever been with a free roaming horse? Any noise can make them flee. A breaking branch, a fleeing rabbit or deer. Enjoy catching such a horse again if it didnā€™t hurt himself on itā€™s way through the forest, jumped over a barbed wire fence in panic or bumped into a car while crossing a road. Animal abuser!

because i need to eat and drink to surviveā€¦ but of course i only eat dead animals not alive ones :wink:

lol how is it that iam an animal abuser because someone else cant put up a proper animal friendly fence or drive carefully?

Solely high-quality organic made animal products (not this fake EU Bio-label)?

So, you would let a horse ran freely and shrug it off if the horse get hurt or killed (and other people)? :roll_eyes:

i always get this 3-star label

but again i dont care that much since i think the harm is already done by others and it would be a waste not to eat good dead meat

seems like a weird way of you trying to put blame on meā€¦ iam not the one riding or killing a horse,
iam not the owner of that horse or those unsafe fences so i dont see how i can let anything happen or how i could be responsibleā€¦

so i can only have the opinion that if those owners didnt do enough to make things safe for everyone then they should go to jail for deadly negligence

What utter nonsense. The harm is done by the consumers who donā€™t by minimum 3 star labeled products and the state incl. EU, who still subsidizes non-organic farmers. I am positively surprised you buy solely 3 star products, assumed itā€™s true.

Well, you demand from horse owners to let their horses run freely. Therefore itā€˜s justified to ask if you considered the consequences. And as expected, you donā€˜t. Therefore I take your position as what it is. Ridiculous.

well only partly to blame since here it can cost almost double the price of regular meat so cant really expect many to buy itā€¦

lol i made no demands because iam not some head of some government that could help with and/or enforce such rules to improve the wellbeing of horses

sure you can ask anything and yes i did and do think of the consequences and believe (despite your weird imagination of horses getting out off a safe secure area and dying on the autobahn) that a safely fenced off area could be easily established

Almost twice the price is not high enough. Itā€˜s a creature just like humans who feel pain. Money canā€˜t be a criteria here to allow needless pain. I remember my parents who said meat wasnā€˜t often on the table. The reason people today consume way more meat than needed to stay healthy is the damn low price. People donā€˜t value meat and the animal behind it.

And to the rest of your post: :joy:

i agree except that the price of those 3 stars products should not be raised, it should cost the same or even better: less than the regular productsā€¦ then everyone can afford to make the better choice :wink:

Yeah, says the 8 year old boy who criticizes that riding is abuse but who has no problem if livestock gets really abused in way too small boxes and cages 24/7/365. From the physical abuse I donā€˜t even want to talk. I grew up on a farm, surrounded by farms. I have seen with my own eyes way more than I ever wanted. But I have seen on tv and videos more than I ever will be able to digest, despite often having had to stop watching. I canā€™t watch such videos anymore. You are a hypocrite, if you demand at the one side the stop of horses to be ridden but nod off the way worse treatment of livestock because you donā€˜t want that people have to pay the price needed to keep them with as low abuse as possible. For which minimum that Dutch label of 3 stars is needed. And even then abuse will regularly happen.