In that case, please, do share their parallels.
I did, Michele. You appear not to have read them. I listed them in great detail.
You misunderstand. I was referring to their attributes, their character, the testimony of their works.
You simply provided testimony of the existence of Jesus and then made the argument that he never existed because that testimony was not during His time here. Thatās fine. We can move on from that. I donāt know your Zeus characters, probably because I didnāt go to college and study mythology. Iām assuming youāve studied it in depth so for instance, I can tell you that Jesus walked on water, healed the sick, made the blind see, the dead to hear and the dumb to speak. He turned water into wine and raised the dead back to life. Who is Zeus and what did Zeus do?
In ancient Greek myths, the demigod Orion could walk on water, a feat inherited from his father, Poseidon. In Hindu mythology, the asura Jalandhara is described as a being who āwalks and swimsā across water.
(and they did it all way before jesus was ever thought ofā¦)
Many deities are associated with healing across different religions, including Dhanvantari (Hinduism), a divine physician and avatar of Vishnu; Asclepius, the Greek god of medicine; and Bhaishajyaguru, the Medicine Buddha in Tibetan Buddhism, who heals physical and spiritual ailments.
(and they did it all way before jesus was ever thought ofā¦)
the Greek deities Theia (goddess of sight) and her husband Hyperion (god of light) were believed to be responsible for the gift of sight. Additionally, the figure of Sim Cheong in Korean folklore, while not a god, was a legendary figure whose story was thought to have healing properties for the blind
(and they did it all way before jesus was ever thought ofā¦)
Ancient Greek and Roman Religions:
Healing figures such as Asclepius, the god of medicine, and his daughters often performed miraculous cures, and people would invoke these gods to heal various ailments.
Ancient Egyptian Religion:
Gods and goddesses like Sekhmet or Imhotep were invoked for healing and to ward off illness and disability.
Ancient Mesopotamian Religions:
Deities and their earthly manifestations were believed to have the power to heal the sick, and individuals would seek their intervention.
Indigenous Belief Systems:
Many indigenous cultures around the world have spiritual healers or shamans who are believed to possess the power to communicate with the spirit world and perform miraculous healings for their communities.
Buddhism:
While not a god in the Western sense, enlightened beings such as the Buddha or Bodhisattvas are believed to be capable of bestowing healing and enlightenment, including the spiritual senses, on their followers.
(and they did it all way before jesus was ever thought ofā¦)
ancient myths of the Greek god Dionysus include stories of him turning water into wine
(yup, yet again this was talked about way before jesus was ever thought ofā¦)
Osiris (Egyptian), Baal (Canaanite), Dionysus (Greek), and Tammuz (Sumerian), are are all considered ādying-and-rising godsā that were able to raise the dead.
(and they did it all way before jesus was ever thought ofā¦)
geez, i really wonder where christians got their stories from? ā¦
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Which one died for our sins?
none, they are all fictional characters
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Then why did Jesus have to die?
Because according to the ridiculous premise of Christian mythology, if you kill the wrong guy for a crime, that settles everything and the guilty party gets to walk free.
It must disappoint you to know the Jews will walk free.
What Bible are you reading?
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John 14:6: I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
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Romans 10:9ā13: Both Jew and Gentile must confess and believe in Christ to be saved.
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Acts 4:12: āThere is salvation in no one else.ā
there is no evidence that your jesus ever existed
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There is some evidence. None of it contemporaneous. All of it at least 70 years after Christās alleged death. Here is all of the evidence. 100% of it. Judge for yourself.
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Josephus (c. 93 CE, Jewish historian)
ā Mentions James, brother of Jesus called Christ (authentic).
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Tacitus (c. 115 CE, Roman historian)
ā Notes Christus executed by Pontius Pilate while explaining Neroās persecution of Christians. -
Pliny the Younger (c. 110 CE, Roman governor)
ā Describes Christians worshipping Christ āas to a god.ā -
Suetonius (c. 121 CE, Roman historian)
ā Mentions riots in Rome āat the instigation of Chrestus.ā Possibly Jesus, possibly someone else. There is no biblical account of Christ instigating riots in Rome. -
Mara bar Serapion (letter, 1stā2nd c.)
ā Refers to the āwise king of the Jewsā unjustly killed. Possibly Jesus. -
Talmud (200ā500 CE)
ā Hostile references to Yeshu, executed on Passover, accused of sorcery.
My take: Mentions of Jesus outside the Bible are like references to the Salem Witch Trials. They confirm something happened and that people believed in it, but they donāt tell us what really took place. Just as later sermons and plays about Salem add nothing factual about the trials themselves, Tacitus or Josephus mentioning Jesus adds nothing to knowing who he was or what he did.
Ask the Brother of Jesus.
See if you get acknowledgement or reply.
It depends on what room Iām in or if Iām in my car or somewhere else but right now Iām in the KJV and TLV.
It will also come about in that day that my Lord will again redeemāa second time with His handāthe remnant of His people who remain from Assyria, from Egypt, from Pathros, from Cush, Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. - Isaiah 11:11 TLV
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: - Romans 11:25-26 KJV
I guess your definition of āevidenceā used in your post fails at any definition of that term at any court (excempt in rogue states of course).
No, heās completely accurate in his attempt to prove Jesus never existed with evidence that he existed.
hearsay written down 75 years later is not evidence to any sane person
It is evidence. It is not evidence that would be admitted in a court of law but that is not the standard here. Almost all historical evidence fails that test. Evidence does not mean incontrovertible proof. It simply encompasses whatever we have to support one side of an argument.
If I testify that I saw little green aliens talking to each other on Yaesu ham radios on Burnaby Mountain, my testimony is evidence of the existence of those aliens. It isnāt compelling evidence and it is not evidence that should be believed, but it is evidence. Thatās the situation we have here.
The references to Jesus from 70+ years after his death are all examples of evidence that Jesus existed. They are evidence, despite some not understanding what that word means. They are not compelling evidence, at least not compelling to me. I weigh that evidence and I find it unsatisfactory to assert that a man named Jesus Christ ever walked on Earth. There is a non-zero chance that he did, but I find the evidence of his existence inadequate.
He was considered a criminal.
Why would He leave evidence? Just things that could be dismissed as coincidental and different perspectives.
am glad i used the words āevidence to any sane personā lol
i think a fairer comparison with the available āevidenceā to jesus existing would be your cousin testifying that your son told him that you saw those little green aliens talking to each otherā¦
and yes that is indeed evidence as well (to insane people) lol