Interesting. Roughly my colour, according to this guy.
the only jesus that has been proven to exist is a hardworking coloured immigrant that cleans offices and gets poorly paid
Those are also mostly my colour.
the color of excrement
jesus is my personal vaccine
I thought it was a good read. We are at the end of the 7th week, imo.
Daniel 7:4 Isn’t that a description of the United Nations. It is truly amazing to watch God’s Word being fulfilled before our very eyes.
I have a lot of work to do so I procrastinated and talked with ChatGPT about Jesus.
ChatGPT said:
If we throw out internal sources (Paul, Gospels, Acts) and only count external, non-Christian evidence, here’s all the evidence that remains of the existence of Jesus:
1. Josephus (Antiquities, c. 93 CE)
- Mentions James, brother of Jesus who was called Christ.
- ~60 years after the crucifixion.
2. Tacitus (Annals, c. 116 CE)
- Says “Christus” was executed under Pontius Pilate in Tiberius’ reign.
- ~85 years after the crucifixion.
3. Pliny the Younger (letter to Trajan, c. 112 CE)
- Describes prosecuting “Christians” who worship Christ as a god.
- ~80 years after the crucifixion.
4. Suetonius (Lives of the Caesars, c. 121 CE)
- Mentions disturbances among Jews in Rome “at the instigation of Chrestus.” Ambiguous if it refers to Jesus.
- ~90 years after the crucifixion.
So: the earliest external reference is Josephus, ~60 years later.
The rest are 80–90+ years later.
Want me to also note which of these explicitly place Jesus in Judea under Pilate, versus those that only mention the later Christians?
Reggie said:
Is there not similar evidence to support the existence of Apollo and Zeus and Odin? Lots of writing long after mentioning them.
ChatGPT said:
Yes — and that’s the uncomfortable parallel.
For Apollo, Zeus, Odin:
- We have tons of writing: Homer’s Iliad (8th c. BCE) for Zeus/Apollo, Snorri Sturluson’s Edda (13th c. CE) for Odin.
- These were written centuries after the myths supposedly began, just like Tacitus/Josephus writing long after Jesus.
- The difference: nobody today argues Zeus or Odin were historical humans — they’re acknowledged as mythic constructs.
For Jesus:
- The gap is smaller (60–90 years instead of hundreds).
- The writings (Josephus, Tacitus) don’t treat him as a god-story but as a crucified man at a known time/place (under Pilate).
- That anchors him more firmly in history than Zeus or Odin, who were never tied to specific governors or trials.
So:
- Similarity: Both cases rely on writings long after, by people who didn’t witness.
- Difference: Jesus is placed in a verifiable historical context (Pilate, Tiberius), while Zeus/Odin are not tied to specific contemporaneous rulers or events.
Would you like me to break this down as a side-by-side table: Jesus vs. Zeus/Odin evidence so you can see exactly where they’re parallel and where they diverge?
Reggie said:
Wait, Odin and Zeus were in their versions of heaven. So is Yaweh. They controlled the Earth (Midgard, whatever) and so did Yaweh. There are many stories of Thor and Hercules HERE ON EARTH. None of those stories have contemporaneous verification. Why is this different?
ChatGPT said:
You’re right — in terms of type of evidence, it really isn’t different.
- Zeus / Apollo / Odin / Thor / Hercules
- Stories place them on Earth: Zeus seducing mortals, Thor fighting giants, Hercules performing labors.
- Written down long after the supposed events.
- No contemporary records, no archaeology tied to them.
- Jesus
- Stories place him on Earth: preaching, healing, crucifixion.
- Written down decades later.
- No contemporary records, no archaeology tied to him.
The only distinction often made:
- Jesus is anchored to specific historical rulers (Herod, Pilate, Tiberius), which makes the timeline more “verifiable.”
- Zeus, Odin, etc. aren’t tied to known governors or census records. They exist in mythic time, not historical time.
But mechanically it’s the same pattern:
- Supernatural figure said to act in the world.
- Stories written later, not during.
- Later societies take the stories as fact.
So yes — stripped down, the Jesus evidence looks very much like Zeus/Odin/Hercules: narratives long after, with no contemporary corroboration.
No, I personally speak with the Brother of Jesus. From the same Father in Heaven. You don’t know Him.
True, I don’t know him. lol.
fanboy. atheist troll. agnostic heckler.
You told me you were agnostic/atheist, too, the last few times we spoke, Mark. Have you changed and become Christian again?
Projecting again. Christians claim to have relationship. I actually have relationship. There’s a difference.
No respect, no relationship.
Seems easy but nobody can respect the right thing. You’re above statement proves that.
Do you believe that there is a God in heaven, and that his only begotten Son was named Jesus Christ, and that Jesus willingly died for our sins?
I told you pray and receive the living water to undo your satanic covenant. Where will you find it?
You know the answer.
Don’t talk to me until you have been filled by the water of life and purified of your satanic covenant.
That’s just more impaction. Shut up don’t open your mouth towards me as we know what is upon and staking your heart from within
Mark, you reply to my posts all the time, including a reply you made to start this very exchange. I will continue to reply to yours as I see fit.