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Nonsense. All indications are that masks are highly effective.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-02801-8
Again nonsense. Did you get that data from the Bible?
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3223
Forget the logic. Go with the science and the data. Masks work. Distancing works. Curfews don’t work.
if you forget logic and ignore what humans will always do then you will indeed put your trust (and your lives) in those that profit, blind faith, hope and indications… might as well pray to a god
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That is so wrong, and betrays why you are so often wrong about everything. Logic (hypothesis) is the beginning of a process. Measurement and data are required to validate that logic/hypothesis. That is what we call the Scientific Method.
You are the one promoting blind faith in your hypotheses. I am the one demanding scientific review of the data. You are just not smart enough to see or understand that.
lol perhaps iam referring to what you call human logic or human reasoning, i think you know what i mean but label it as you want
lol i dont see how saying “dont do anything unless you have proof it works” is somehow related to blind faith
yes you rightfully are demanding a review of data…
especially the results of “real world”-data would be very interesting
in your links i read about some interesting tests but no real data or results, only perhaps, might, maybe, it could and numbers based upon assumptions, perhaps i missed them in your links, did you see any?
if you dont have results or proof isnt it all guessing and acting on hope? that sounds like blind faith to me…
looks like tonight will be worse than yesterday:(
you guys can throw a good riot
Interesting timing. I didn’t think the Netherlands was doing poorly. Agreed on curfew.
England had the worst week.
No, Nico, you are wrong about everything. I can see you are trying, however, so I will try not to be excessively snarky.
This is not smart, Nico. You can’t have proof until you try it. Science is all about hypothesis → experimentation → measurement → data analysis. Early in 2020, someone said “I think masks will help slow the spread of COVID-19”. This was a hypothesis based on solid logic. To not try it because there was no data would be stupid and if everyone just said “dont do anything unless you have proof it works” as you suggested, nothing would ever be done and nothing new would ever be invented because there’s no data.
Of course, and as you noted, I demand that. This doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try things before there’s data. That’s just dumb. It means when there finally is data, use the damn data (however flawed it may be) to help guide your next steps.
You can always spot someone who doesn’t understand science when they point out the data is flawed, insufficient or inadequate. Data is never perfect, Nico. Science is all about taking the data you have, however imperfect and incomplete it may be, and using it to guide your next steps while remaining acutely aware of the deficiencies of the data. It’s why we do studies of studies. There are always assumptions which form the basis of new hypotheses.
No, Nico, it’s not blind hope. There is never proof of a new idea. It’s new. Nobody’s tried it yet. It’s a hypothesis which then leads to experiments, measurements and data analysis. Otherwise known as the Scientific Method.
if you enjoy nature minus humans
where is room for the human that is you enjoying it?
maybe not self-loathing
maybe cousin loathing?
silly european
silly canadian
lol with the “dont do anything unless you have proof it works” of course i mean dont try to force all people on this planet to do something unless you have tested it on a good number and have results showing it works… if you dont, it might work against you?
its been over a year… where is this information about masks?
yes by all means try anything on those that dont mind being experimented on and indeed share and use the data to guide the next steps
where is it?
lol yes i would like to use my non-understanding capabilities to look at any data and be able to point out flaws or things that are good about any real world data and then discuss it with those that think they know all about it… there seems to be something lacking in order to do that…
oh yes! data, what did you find that convinced you?
yes yes try and experiment all you want on yourself and those that are willing to do so, share your findings and everyone can make up their own minds based upon something
one question still seems to remain unanswered, oh yes… after a year, where is this information?
the whole world has been doing poorly
Face Masks
our findings continued to support the ideas not only that masks in general are associated with a large reduction in risk of infection from SARS-CoV-2, SARS-CoV, and MERS-CoV but also that N95 or similar respirators might be associated with a larger degree of protection from viral infection than disposable medical masks or reusable multilayer (12–16-layer) cotton masks. (from Lancet link below)
We also demonstrated the efficacy of surgical masks to reduce coronavirus detection and viral copies in large respiratory droplets and in aerosols (Table 1b). This has important implications for control of COVID-19, suggesting that surgical face masks could be used by ill people to reduce onward transmission. (from Journal Nature Medicine link below)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2#Sec3
Distancing
Physical distancing of at least 1 m is strongly associated with protection, but distances of up to 2 m might be more effective.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext
PS: Next time Google it yourself. I’m done.
If you are going to defend the science, where’s the proof that masks work? Where is the data the reflects falling numbers from mask and distancing practices?
ah nice, thank you for sharing the links which convinced you and your advice to google myself, i do and will continue to do so (i havent mastered the technique yet where i can google for something that convinced you…)
thank you for highlighting the statements which you find imporant, everyone can make statements, especially with words like “could” and “might” so this doesnt look promising but lets check out what this study is about:
a nice study from march 2013 to 2016 of initially 3363 individuals which led to an “indepth” study of 246 patients… where 122 wore a facemask and 124 didnt which led to an even more “indepth” study of 111 participants that became their focus…
bla bla bla “most participants did not agree to stay for a second measurement because of time constraints.” bla bla bla “Participants were compensated for each 30-min exhaled breath collection with a supermarket coupon worth approximately US$30 and all participants were gifted a tympanic thermometer worth approximately US$20.”
those statements alone makes this pretty worthless but i do applaud that they do share their data which is great even if its old and the selection is perhaps a bit small compared to the entire world population
somehow this doesnt convince me that everyone should be forced to wear masks cause it might help fight this corona virus or it might not and actually add to the problems…
iam worried and have doubts about the intelligence of people that do think that based upon that study alone…
next link, lets see… ah may 2020 a recent one, nice
172 studies across 16 countries and 6 continents, now we are talking! lots of info i will check out but lets focus on the findings and their interpretation:
“transmission of viruses was lower with physical distancing of 1m or more, protection was increased as distance is lengthened, face masks could result in large reduction in risk of infection with optimum use”
makes sense to me, yes it “could” but unfortunately humans will never use anything “optimum” especially not masks
“robust randomised trials are needed to better inform the evidence for these interventions”
yes indeed, more trials and testing before trying to implement anything sounds like a wise plan!
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Yeah, that’s what’s wrong with you.
he shared the links with what he believes is proof enough
We can tell you’re trying.
lol its ok, imagine a god having to explain something which comes natural to them… must get pretty tiring
Nobody cares whether you’re convinced, Nico. You spouted a bunch of nonsense displaying your ignorance of even the most basic science. You got spanked. Now you’re trying to change the subject. Carry on.