Also kills. A big dog like a Rottweiler or German/Belgian Shephard, Malamute, Mastiffs etc., only need to bite once into the head/neck and a small dog is dead. I know two of such cases alone in Regensburg. That’s why I don’t let Jamie play with those big type of dogs, even if their owner swears his dog is well socialized.
I personally witnessed enough to say - and I don’t mind if you believe it or not - that a lot of dogs aren’t 100 % save. Except maybe the ones who really got professionally trained and work at the police. But 99,9 % of dogs don’t have this intense training. Many have had a terrible package from the past. One of my landlords dogs, a female Spaniel, got sexually abused and arrived broken. A very, very sensitive dog. I would have bet she never ever could do anything bad. But she attacked male humans twice out of the blue, and I bet it was both times triggered by either appearance or behavior. You can’t look into their heads, Nico.
PS: And no, that dog isn’t to blame. Luckily she is a tiny Spaniel. Let her be a big breed, and the outcome would have been less good for the dog, the two men (and the owner). Unfortunately the real human culprit never gets punished. Humans suck. Not dogs.
Gunda, for goodness sake, the import of pit bulls to Germany is banned, and all of Bavaria places existing pit bulls under strict ownership restrictions so OBVIOUSLY they are not on your list. I posted the exact numbers from the Animals-24-7 site (which Nico will now say is not credible, because he is not clever).
This is exactly right, but Nico (and possibly Gunda) operate under the religion (faith without facts) that it’s only the owner who is ever at fault when a pit bull goes insane and kills another dog (or human).
I don’t believe so. They are either trying to kill, doing it for fun, or doing it for the hell of it. Either way, if a human was gnawing on someone’s neck until it died, most of us wouldn’t wouldn’t care if the human was purposely killing this person.
So if the human is 100% at fault, should the actions be charged as if the dog was the human?
Michele might answer you. I doubt Gunda or Nico will. Gunda still hasn’t answered if a pit bull had killed Gracie, would she still want them in cities.
Speaking for myself, even though I do NOT feel it is always the owner’s fault, I feel it is the owner’s responsibility (as Michele said) and therefore I would charge them with murder or at least negligent homicide.
You totally misunderstood my post. I only wanted to show that there are also other breeds with high biting numbers and why banning those breeds per se is not a solution I support.
I also doubt, that a Pit Bull is more likely to bite than a German or Belgian Shepherd. Therefore I find it ok to ask, which breed is next on that list of yours.
I btw. answered your question, but I do it again, no problem. I am against banning the Pit Bull or any other breed per se. That‘s why I offered a different solution, which is in my opinion more fair to dogs and more efficient. Plus, it would benefit all dogs.
This depends. Like with driving cars. If someone is driving with a significant high alcohol level or if that person participated in an illegal car race, I support charging this person with murder. Therefore I support also the murder charge for dog owners (regardless which dog breed) if certain criterias are fulfilled.
Yes, then again, Pit Bulls also are the most popular breed in the USA compared to other breeds with the potential to kill a human. If their number would be equal, Pit Bulls, German - and even more so the Belgian Shepherd I bet - alongside with Rottis and other big dogs would share the first place.
All studies I know don‘t indicate, that the Pit Bull is more likely to kill humans than other breeds with fatal bite power.
All studies (and dog experts) I read and heard about, conclude, that the owner and the circumstances are the main factor. So, why not finally address the main reason for making a change but solely the dog, which is the most innocent here?
PS: I link a Website (which admittedly isn‘t necessarily objective), but contains several objective studies below to every important focus on this issue. https://www.fataldogattacks.org/
Sorry, wrong again. Pit bulls are the 95th most popular breed in the US. Rottweilers are #9. Boxers are #18. German Shepherds are #4. All other dogs with the potential to kill a human are more populous in the US than Pit Bulls, but Pit Bulls kill more than all the others combined.
Now Nico will attack Stacker because he is not clever.
„Dogs labeled as ‘pitbulls’ are the most popular dogs in the U.S., more popular than Labrador Retrievers, Golden Retrievers, Boxers, German Shepherds, Huskies, Rottweilers, and others, as revealed by a recent analysis of veterinary data. Additionally, they are the #1 most commonly identified breed in DNA-tested dogs. While the American Pit Bull Terrier is a distinct breed, the broader label of ‘pitbull’ is not a breed but rather a generic term used to describe a type of dog based loosely on its appearance, resembling any medium-sized dog with physical characteristics from any of the numerous bully-type breeds. Accordingly, as the term ‘pitbull’ includes the four unique breeds commonly included in the pitbull-type category, a wide variety of pitbull-type mixes, and other breeds and mixes labeled as ‘pitbulls’ because of their appearance, we conservatively estimate that they represent 20% of the dog population in the U.S., or 18 million out of 90 million dogs, based on the DNA and veterinary data summarized below.“
This list includes only breeds that could kill humans. Pit Bulls are a small fraction of the dog population, Gunda, but they are responsible for 69% of human deaths (and probably an even higher percentage of pet deaths, but I am guessing on that). No matter how you cut it, Pit Bulls are vastly more violent and deadly than any other breed that has the potential to kill humans, both in total numbers and per capita.
Now Nico will attack the American Kennel Club because he is not clever.
lest we forget about the deadliest breed of them all: humans
lol @ so much emotion and caring from my dutch brother who normally boasts about that he is all about statistics and results, maybe you finally started to believe that all lives matter?!
somehow i doubt that, which raises the question why you pretend to care so much about those 33 americans that were killed by pitbulls in 2019?
At least we make progress regarding the figures of relevant breeds with the potential for fatal dog bites. I still question the latest numbers you brought up though, as the AKC doesn‘t recognize all Pit Bulls as such. The American Bulldog for example is even larger and thus is potentially more dangerous than smaller Pit Bull-typed dogs but which are categorized as Pit Bulls.
Therefore I still rather believe the source I posted earlier:
You’re right. If a human kills a dog, no one cares. If a dog kills a human, everyone seems to think the owner should be held accountable for the dogs actions.
That’s barbaric. The penalty for murder is death so you think a pitty owner should die for the actions of a dog?
Human abuse! What did the human do to deserve a death sentence?
While that is true, would you expect your mother to be charged for your crimes? There is a difference between taking responsibility for a child’s actions or even a pets actions and accepting the penalty for their crimes. No parent should have to pay the penalty for another person or animal unless they willfully choose to for the sake of humanity and I don’t know of any human who would do that.
