Sure, but we were talking about one specific issue, namely if men, who want their woman to stay at home, shall share their income with them from that day on or not and which of both approaches of us (yours or mine - or maybe even both - ) fulfill the criterias to be labeled as feminist.
PS: If feminism is responsible for too low birthrates, then so is your position as well. Cause no woman in her right mind would stay at home to take care of the children, her hubby and likely also their sick parents eventually, if she has to take 100% of the financial risk in case he leaves her or the relationship fails and additionally has to beg for every expense she makes.
I will answer you directly, clearly, and with no room for equivocation. A person who tells women how they should live is not a feminist, regardless of their personal lifestyle. A person who accepts that women are intelligent and can make their own decisions is a feminist, regardless of their personal lifestyle.
Please, for God’s sake, try to get it through your thick German skull that I don’t demand that women take 100% of the financial risk. I say to women, “do what you want”. If they want to take 100% of the financial risk, let them. If they don’t, great, then don’t. I expect no success with this. I have told you this ten million times. You will continue to lie about what my position is, likely because your stubborn German brain is unable to knock down the strawman it has created, even though you know it’s a strawman.
I am a feminist. I believe women should be able to choose. I am also not stupid and I recognize that giving women free choice over sex, divorce, contraception, abortion and employment has consequences, even though I support those things. Feminism is directly responsible for:
The rise of wealth in the world (double the workers means more wealth)
The empowerment of women
Low birth rates
The demise of the nuclear family
The rise of pornography
The rise of promiscuity
The rise of loneliness and hopelessness as more people are alone
I accept these outcomes (mostly because I see the futility of not accepting them) and I support the right of women to make their own choices. I am a feminist. You do not support the right of women to make their own choices. You are not a feminist.
Well, you obviously then don‘t want more children to be born, while I do. Cause this is the reason why most women prefer to stand on their own financial feet instead of being solely dependent on their partner. So point your finger on yourself when you want to put a blame on someone for too low birthrates. You may label yourself a feminist just like Hugh Hefner did. At the end, both of you just want to control and exploit women.
No you aren‘t if you give men free choice over all you listed, but blame only women for every negative, only because they use the same free choices as men do. Or did I miss a post of yours where you blame men equally for too low birth rates and other consequences you aren‘t happy with?
I have a hard time believing you’re serious. I said feminism is responsible for those things. Not women. Feminism. I just declared myself a feminist. I am responsible for those things.
I’m done with this. You can have the last ten thousand words.
I disagree with that you fulfill the criteria of feminism, as your approach, not wanting to share income with your partner 50/50 if she takes care of you and the family as well as your attitude to be the decision maker is contrary to the goal of feminism. Remember? It‘s about to establish economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes.
Just because you call yourself a feminist, doesn‘t mean it’s true. Most men who share your view, certainly wouldn‘t identify themselves as a feminist. They are at least not intellectual dishonest as you are.
PS: I also refuse that any tax money/fee shall go to any man or woman who choose your option and knock at the welfare doors in case their relationship failed and need help to finance care due to sickness, age or whatever.
Where do I tell women how they should live, silly? I don‘t tell them to work or having to stay at home. I want them to be empowered to make those choices. With the difference that my option doesn’t mean for women to take all the risk (and in case their relationship fails, maybe also on the cost of the tax payer). I want both partner to share the risk of that choice, cause also the man is part of this decision, regardless if he shares zero or 50% of the risk. While you don‘t empower women but only men.
That begs the question, how many men who come here are stupid enough to share that view? I bet it’s a lot.
I don’t mean to press on you but you haven’t ever said why you don’t marry. Is it because you would have to share what you’ve built for yourself?
It doesn’t matter if we use all the same free choices as men. Men will always be whoremakers and women will always be whores.
Over exaggerated! What are you worth?
I believe the wealthy should pay for it.
Universal basic income is going to make us all lazy, unhealthy and suffer a premature death.
You know, if you would kill yourself, we here at BBAD could share in your wealth the rest of our lives. I bet there’s enough to go around. We aren’t greedy. We would share with your wife.
Michele, I tried and failed to become a billionaire. I have said this many times. I’m not even close to being a billionaire.
Agreed. Trump doesn’t agree with that.
We are already mostly lazy, unhealthy and suffer premature deaths. This is the first generation in history that is expected to live shorter lives than their parents. That said, we have no choice. If robots do all the jobs, our choices are to let 99 percent of people starve or create a new economic system.
I should have added a comma. Socialist, free education.
whatever? wtf?
who cares what option anyone choses or in what (non)relationships they are? when someone gets old and cant take care of themself, or gets in a car crash or gets cancer and needs help… anyone with any humanity inside them would help
Why should people who were responsible their whole lifetime for their actions should pay for people who voluntarily decided to be not responsible? If someone decides to migrate to Thailand because he inherited some money and comes back to Germany broke 20 years later, why should he get well fare and health insurance by the ones who worked their asses off? If you show no solidarity and responsibility, they you can‘t demand from others what you denied to do. You want welfare? Well pay first into that money pit or contribute otherwise to society (take care of children) before you demand from others to feed and house you.
Ah ok, lol. Then no objection from me if you few both that way. I even agree. Although I think that not all, but most people, regardless if men or women, wear a prize tag.
I doubt that, as I am for compulsory basic healthcare for all people. In my time as a worker in public healthcare I just experience people who exploit the system without wanting to contribute to it’s solidary financiation. Rich as well as poor.