Michele, I know (online) many people who have deep moral convictions that mixing the races, not just sexually but even socially, leads to the destruction of society. I believe they are wrong, but I also believe Christians are wrong about a Jewish carpenter dying for their sins.
Do you agree or support his decision not to bake the cake for the transexual?
Not sure if that’s to me or Michele, but I support his right to refuse to bake that cake.
EDITED TO ADD: I also support my right to boycott him for doing that.
I agree on both. It’s to anybody. This is not a religious issue as much. This is not a wedding cake. This is a cake.
You support his decision but you think he deserves to be boycotted for his decision? Isn’t that the same thing as supporting the transsexual? Aren’t you sort of riding the fence here?
That entire paragraph is false from start to finish. True moral conviction comes from the Holy Spirit, Who convicts everyone the same. Mixing races sexually or socially is not destructive to society but mixing religious beliefs is extremely dangerous and may cause confusion within Marriage and families. If you are being taken in by that, Reg, you are just looking for a reason to reject Christ and now you found one. No wonder you don’t think He died for you. Someone came along and planted a wicked seed against Him.
Some people don’t believe they fit the narriative of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They believe that lie their entire life and die without knowing Truth because the Truth of His Sacrifice would be much more painful than the lie.
I don’t think I’m riding the fence. You might. I support freedom. I support this guy’s right to bake a cake for whoever he wants (or not), and I support my right to buy from whoever I want (or not).
You may believe your conviction comes from the Holy Spirit. I don’t. I think most Christians (yes, including you) believe whatever they want to believe and then lie to themselves about how the Bible supports their choices. This is the only possible way to explain Christian support for the lying, philandering, thieving, adulterous piece of human trash you currently have for a president.
I am not looking for a reason to reject Christ. I have had that reason for my entire adult life and it has not changed. I do not believe a man named Jesus Christ ever walked on the planet Earth. I do not believe there is any evidence that he ever existed aside from one book of apparent fiction that says so.
I realize you disagree and I have no issue with that. As I said above, I support freedom.
Oh I see! Now it’s all a lie because Christians voted for Trump.
If that’s what you take from what I wrote, I decline to debate it.
You said it right here!
This is true! I wasn’t trying to sugarcoat the issue with my own personal belief. I do believe that is the way it is but I know that’s not what you are talking about.
I support his right to his decision. Not his decision. He seems like an asshole. I would not shop there. It’s not even a wedding cake. Do you support his decision? Or just his right?
It’s his shop. I support his decision and his right to make that decision.
Is it ok to deny service to someone who has no shoes or shirt on? Isn’t it the shop owners right to make that decision and that’s ok, but when it’s a moral issue it’s no longer our right because it offends homosexuals. Don’t they have signs up in stores that say “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone?”
Is it ok to deny service to someone who has no shoes or shirt on?
Yes
Isn’t it the shop owners right to make that decision and that’s ok, but when it’s a moral issue it’s no longer our right because it offends homosexuals.
If he wants to make less money by not baking the transexual a cake, he should be allowed to, no matter how ridiculous his reason is.
I know it’s not true but I feel like we are on the same page, if only for a split second lol
Somewhat. We have the same conclusion on this.
If the guy was a nazi and refused to serve blacks and jews, that is where there is some gray area for me. There really isn’t much difference for me between those two. Either way it is a bigot refusing to serve someone. The latter might cause violence and if that is the case it might be better to force him to serve blacks and jews.
Here is the case…
This case has nothing at all to do with blacks or Jews. Why are you entertaining that scenario? It’s also wrong to force a man to do something he doesn’t want to do. I don’t care if he’s black and a Jew. What gives them more rights than him? And I can see if he said something insulting to someone over their sexual preference, but you judge him a bigot because he doesn’t want to acknowledge their abomination and that is disturbing. It’s a sad time in history when a man with moral values either has to sacrifice his belief for peace or his right to deny service in order to rise above bigotry.
Michele, what are you on about? If you want to focus only on this case and nothing else, well, everyone commenting so far has agreed he should have the right to refuse to bake this cake.
I just wanted to know why he injected a whole new scenario…you know, I really don’t care. I agree!
I don’t speak for him, but to me it’s obvious why. Every such case has two components, the immediate case at hand and then the ramifications the precedent may have on other cases. The big picture, if you will. If we let this guy refuse service to gay or trans guys, would he then be allowed to refuse service to blacks or Jews? These are the kinds of big-picture questions one must ask before rendering any judgment.