I had a long talk with a Mormon yesterday. I learned a lot.
Modern Mormons believe that only a tiny minority of people will go to Hell. Almost all will bend the knee and kiss the ring of Christ.
They believe you don’t have to accept Christ in this world. It’s fine to accept him in future worlds that you experience after you die.
Most local Mormons are Filipino. I had a mental image of them being mostly white.
They redefine words such as “condemned” to mean “a temporary pause in progress” and “eternal punishment” to mean “God’s punishment which does not last forever”.
They consider much/most of scripture to be metaphorical, including the stuff about the planet Kolob and all those goddess wives you’re supposed to get. They don’t think any of that was meant literally.
Obviously none of this applies to Mormons of 50 or 100 years ago. Isa and I will be going to a big event at a huge Mormon Church here on Saturday. Let’s see if we convert.
We talked about that, too. He said that since he believes we will live forever, we may have multiple wives. For example, if I die and go to whatever the next level is for me in Mormon mythology, I may take a new wife there but I am still married to Isa in the eyes of the Lord, and presumably she may take a new husband in this world but she is still married to me in the eyes of the Lord. At least that’s how I understood his explanation.
It’s all fiction to me, anyway, but it is no sillier than other religions, and it seems less destructive than most to me.
its simple logic: drug addicts are not high all the time, which means they do live part of their life… unlike those that had a lobotomy aka religious persons
it does by giving the high and then the urge to want that high again
yes its addictive but not as much as heroine or cocaine
i think nicotine is too quickly absorbed by the lungs and delivered to the brain, your body also builds up a tolerance the more you absorb, so after a while you would have to keep a cigarette / pipe / chewing tobacco in your mouth 24/7, guess a permanent iv could work
I don’t ever remember reading that Jesus wore or will wear a ring nor do I remember scripture saying we will kiss the ring of Jesus. Are you going to ask them where that is in the Bible or from what scripture that are drawing on?
Do they read from a different book than the Holy Bible?
It says, “No one is abandon by the Lord forever.”
Lamentations 3:23
I don’t remember reading anything about a place called Kolob. Where is it?
Did you tell them that was contrary to what the Bible teaches? Did you ask them what scripture confirms his belief?
I did not mean it literally. “Kissing the ring” is an idiomatic expression that means showing deference, submission, or respect to someone in a position of power or authority.
Yes, obviously. They read from the Book of Mormon, in addition to the Bible. They also have several secondary scriptures.
Does that mean you agree with their redefinition of simple English terms? I don’t begrudge them this. Most Christians (and in fact most from all religions) do this. I remember you redefining Paul’s simple statement that women should not pray with their hair uncovered to mean don’t eat prunes on Tuesdays or something.
Kolob is the star or planet that is closest to the dwelling place of God, according to Mormons. It is in one of their secondary scriptures, obviously not the Bible.
No, because I don’t care what they believe or whether it is contrary to the Bible, which I also don’t believe in. It may be in the Book of Mormon, or they may have invented it out of thin air like many Christians inventing “hate the sin, love the sinner” which is also not in the Bible.
I didn’t twist it at all. I read the plain English. Christians spend much of their time lying to themselves and others about how the Bible’s clear words actually say something completely different from what they clearly say. You don’t want to wear a veil while praying, so you contort the Bible’s clear wording to mean something more convenient for you.
1 Corinthians 11 5-6
But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.
I’m happy to see you’ve changed your way of thinking and see that this scripture is in the context of praying and prophesying.
To refresh your memory, your argument was that all Christian women are suppose to wear a veil and we don’t, therefore we are disobedient to the Word of God, to which I replied that this scripture was referring to covering a woman’s hair in prayer, which you repeatedly refused to acknowledge. It also states, further down the chapter, that a woman’s hair is given to her as a covering.
For surely a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God. But the woman is the glory of man. But if anyone intends to be contentious, we have no such custom—nor do God’s communities.
This is total nonsense from beginning to end. I have NEVER said Christian women need to veil at all times. I ALWAYS said it was in the context of praying. You refuse to pray with hair coverings. So do most Christian women. This is disobedient to the word of God.