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i may be an ideologist but iam not blind and iam not a racist
their whole immigration, anti-trans, anti climate/windmills, anti world health organisation, pro russia even after invading ukraine and anti-eu agenda is fascist, gunda

lol yes they could speed things up a little and become more efficient lol but thats the downside of doing things carefully and with lots of different countries

totally incorrect, when your only objective is economic gain it is never a good basis for any peace anywhere

So, you can’t deliver anything to proof your claim they are fascist. Thanks for proving my point.

I gladly explore your next accusation of being anti-Trans. Why do you think they are anti-Trans?

i just did even without mentioning all the things afd members said in the past or mentioning their current sieg heiling member and elon waving billionair supporter…

because i looked in:

search for gender and find out yourself

or look at this:

All I could find in your links was the point ā€ž8.3.1 No Gender-Neutral Transformation of the German Languageā€ž in the manifesto pdf. Do you refer to that point? If so, what do you criticize here? And if you refer to some other point, please tell me the number.

then you didnt properly read or searched for gender; it is mentioned a lot more than only in that point (6.1, 7.3, 8.1.2, 8.2.4, 8.3, 8.3.1, 8.3.2 etc)

my criticism is that i think that word should not even be mentioned in any political manifest (ok maybe once is ok when its about gender equality, since its a basic fundamental human right)

we already discussed my issue with 8.3.1 and all other points; you and reg classify intersex people as ā€œanomaliesā€ and i see them as human beings and they should be treated as such

but ok to be specific: 8.3.1 wants to remove all gender-neutral words from your german language, basically wanting to nullify your "third gender’-law

i think this would be a major step back for humanity in germany

Oh that. I looked for ā€žtransā€œ as you referred to ā€žanti-transā€œ people in your original post. Thatā€˜s why I wondered what you are up to, as it sounded you think the AfD opposes transgender people. To clarify:

The AfD supports transgender people who are born with sex organs of a biological sex they donā€˜t identify with. If some of them want an operation paid by the health insurance company, then the AfD is fine with that. If some don’t want to have an op, that’s also fine. But only after an op they are free to change their biological sex on the official documents including their names and are allowed to go into the toilet which is assigned to the sex they identify with. Also quotas if applied for certain gender can be used only after such an op. And especially many hetero sexual women will feel very protected and thus fine with this as well.

Regarding the veeeery tiny percentage of people who neither identify with male or women - yes we discussed this already in a prior post.

Regarding language: To compel about 99 % of a society including the media by law to use gender neutral pronoms is wrong. If they do voluntarily, that’s fine with the AfD incl. myself. Personally I encourage everyone to respect if someone asks to be addressed with a certain gender neutral pronom it chooses.

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Nico, for a guy who believes in unlimited freedom of speech, it’s odd to see you advocate for requiring me to call some guy in a dress ā€œsheā€.

Why? Do you think transgenders respect boundaries? They cross their own.

where do you get this info from? its not in their manifest…

german majority voted for these laws, also where do you get your info from that its ā€œfine with the afdā€ ? thats not what is stated in their manifest…

you are not required to call anyone anything, this is about a political party wanting to change a law that was passed and demanding words to be removed from their german dictionary

or i should say thats how i interpret what i read in their manifest

It was a discussion in the Bundestag about this very question, as a womens quota place in the parliament by the Green Party was filled with a Transgender with male sexual organs, Markus Ganserer (now called Tessa Ganserer). In this discussion the AfD said what I wrote with my words.

PS: Feminists and even some Green Party members filed a law suit against the abuse of that quota by the Green Party, as also they view Ganserer without an op still as a man.

lol perhaps its my poor understanding of german but all i heard is this woman (which i at first thought to be the transperson lol) stating its a private matter and her trying to ridicule that person (a fish is not a bicycle? calling it absurd etc etc seems like a total lack of respect lol)
i definitely did not not hear anything about them being ok with an operation being paid by health insurance…

it was nice seeing the reaction of the majority, thanks for sharing :wink:

Thatā€˜s another reason I vote for the AfD. A transgender person with male genitals is a biological man and not a woman. If he identifies as a woman, why does he then want to keep his penis instead of getting a vagina via operation? That makes no sense.

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oh i dont understand either, but what makes even less sense to me are people that try to tell others what to do with their own body…

isnt ā€œmy body, my choiceā€ a feminist slogan? why arent you defending their right to do with their body what they want?

Because she was busy asking why a trans wouldn’t want to have a vagina instead of a penis if he wants to be a woman, if I read it right. I’m sort of interested in knowing that too.

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i dont think we have the right person on bbad to ask that question, but we can always ask my newest buddy deepseek:

Gender identity is a deeply personal and complex experience, and not all transgender women feel the same way about their bodies or medical transitions. For some transgender women, having a vagina aligns with their gender identity and alleviates gender dysphoria (the distress that can arise from a mismatch between one’s gender identity and physical characteristics). However, not all transgender women choose to undergo genital surgery, and this decision is influenced by a variety of factors:

  1. Personal Comfort: Some transgender women feel comfortable with their bodies as they are and do not experience significant dysphoria related to their genitals. They may still identify fully as women without feeling the need for surgical intervention.
  2. Medical and Financial Considerations: Genital surgery is a major medical procedure that requires significant financial resources, recovery time, and access to skilled surgeons. Not everyone has the means or opportunity to pursue this option.
  3. Risks and Complications: Like any surgery, genital reconstruction carries risks, such as complications from anesthesia, infection, or unsatisfactory results. Some individuals may decide that the potential risks outweigh the benefits for them personally.
  4. Non-Surgical Transition: Some transgender women focus on other aspects of their transition, such as hormone therapy, voice training, or social transition, and may not prioritize genital surgery. They may feel that these steps are sufficient for their well-being and self-expression.
  5. Diverse Experiences of Womanhood: Womanhood is not defined solely by anatomy. Transgender women, like cisgender women, have diverse experiences and relationships with their bodies. Some may feel that their identity as women is not contingent on having a vagina.
  6. Cultural and Social Factors: Societal attitudes, cultural norms, and personal support systems can also influence decisions about surgery. Some individuals may face stigma or lack of understanding, which can impact their choices.

Ultimately, the decision to undergo genital surgery—or any aspect of medical transition—is deeply personal and varies from person to person. It’s important to respect each individual’s choices and recognize that there is no single ā€œrightā€ way to be a woman or to transition.

I wrote they can do what they want. But a man born with a penis and wants to keep it, is still a man and not a woman.

lol why? because you say so? or because some people that also thought the earth was flat decided so?

who are you or they to decide for others what they are?

Penis? :upside_down_face:

Because all these are just labels. Man is a label. Woman is a label. Gunda has every right to decide what label she chooses to affix to a person with a penis and no vagina. Michele has that right. And I have that right. And you have that right, and so does the trans person.

We don’t have the right to force others to accept our choice of labels, however.

If I choose to call myself a Chinese woman, nobody can stop me, but I don’t expect you, Gunda or Statistics Canada to join me in that delusion.

you think you are a penis? lol

indeed apparently you can even call yourself a penis or a feminist while you dont support everyones right to their own body? :wink:

and thats all fine as long as it remains just labelling but it also leads to discrimination and trying to remove basic human rights from certain people