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You really don’t understand sourcing, do you, Michele? It’s ok, neither does Bill. Opinions don’t need to be sourced. Claimed facts do. Other people’s words do. That said, I first heard the idea behind that comment (not the words, just the basic idea – the words were mine) from Robert A. Heinlein in Stranger in a Strange Land.

heinlein was a right wing nut job
wrote books about sex with mommy
and faster than light travel

stranger in a strange land and dune
sems like somebody wasn’t getting laid on prom night

I would have posted the video but judgment comes swiftly to those who post things not acceptable in mixed company.

I understand it needs to be reliable.

Neither do you.

They do if you are attempting to pass them off as fact.

You obviously agree with his theory.

“Love is the state that obtains when your happiness is at least partially dependent on the happiness of another person”

What if you happen across a person who doesn’t seem happy. Do you just accept that you can’t be happy since another can’t be happy?

with a bar so low, why bother having a bar?

There’s a bar?

An opinion should never be passed off as fact.

Don’t be silly, Michele. “Another person” not “all other persons”. Unless you love all other people, in which case you’re quite insane, like Jesus.

Okay sigh*. Let me try again. What if you’re married to someone who suffers from depression? Is your happiness going to be gauged by that persons depression?

Spiritually, you are correct.

Yes, Michele. It is impossible to be truly happy when someone you love is depressed. It is why some say that depression affects many more than just the person suffering it.

If that’s true, how do you experience:

Love is the state that obtains when your happiness is at least partially dependent on the happiness of another person.

Does that mean people who are married to people who are depressed never experience a state of happiness or love? That must not be where love is found if that’s the case.

Michele, you are not so simple that you don’t understand this. Depression is not a constant thing, generally. Most depressed people experience blips of happiness, at which point those that love the depressed person can also be happy. If you love someone who is truly depressed all the time, and never experiences happiness, I doubt you could ever experience happiness either. Contentment, certainly. Satisfaction. Gratitude. Even laughter. But not happiness.

Reg, I’m so simple that the only thing I gleaned from this is that you ignored my post.

that opinion needs a source or two

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Oh Reggie. Michele was talking about the relationship between two people. Thus I addressed the love between two people and not the love a person feels for a dog. I know your obsession with bestiality and perversity. Therefore I don‘t expect you to know what love is. Love is about giving and taking. To demand that the partner only or mainly has to give up her-/his wishes, opinions and goals (which is the meaning of submission) for the sake of the dominant one - that‘s just controll and abuse, but has zero to do with love.

Interesting. Now, submission means that only the dominant ones opinion counts at the end. How could this exploiting and controlling attitude not affect the submissive partner eventually in a negative way?

That’s what partners do. :nerd_face: legal exploitation lol