thats nice, in what way was it different to you?
It’s more upbeat. People were dancing and smiling, not flogging themselves and crying.
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That must be some American evangelical thing. They don‘t flog and cry in the Catholic or evangelical sermons in Germany (and I only can assume also not in the rest of Europe).
I also usually (there are exceptions though) prefer the „white“ music pieces to be played and sung. Generally, it‘s always better with music than without. Even Gospel if it has to be the only music there is.
I was being sarcastic about flogging themselves. Most Christians gave up self-flagellation centuries ago. Still, most western Christian doctrine is focused on how we are all sinners deserving of eternal Hell but for the grace of God. Depressing and foolish nonsense.
Latin Christian doctrine and practices (mostly Catholic) are less depressing.
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No, that‘s not true for the sermons I attended. They are just boring due to the predictable and same routine and boring held speech. Therefore I always was thankful if someone played the organ (went always up to sit close to it for that case), as I loved to see the organist hands hitting the keys.
From what I recall of our talks in the past, you attended mostly Catholic services. If that’s true, that’s largely the point I’m trying to make. Most western Christians are not Catholic, they are evangelical protestants, and evangelical doctrine is very much focused on each and every one of us deserving Hell but for the grace of God. Catholics are less focused on that.
I was talking about most german and european Christian denominations with the exception of some tiny crazy ones like the 7th Adventists, Jehova witnesses etc. I attended both Catholic and evangelical (german coined not the American zealot ones) sermons. None of them was depressing or focusing on how sinful we are. They were just boring. Except for the music part.
I can‘t remember that a priest even once mentioned/addressed hell in those sermons.
Isa and I went to a Latin mass today at Vancouver’s oldest Catholic church. Latin masses are prohibited by the Vatican but many churches still do them. It was the first Latin mass either of us had ever attended.
It was really quite nice. The church isn’t as pretty or ornate as Colombian churches, but it had a simple beauty to it, similar to some European churches (and I have no doubt European immigrants must have built it). The music was very old fashioned but beautiful. Everything felt like, if I could go back in time 1000 years, the service would have been similar. We’ll likely return next week.
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80’s pop music? lol
did they provide you with anything to drink and eat and tell you to enjoy the body and fluids of christ?
It was a pipe organ with a small choir singing only in Latin.
Erika takes communion. I don’t, out of respect. She loved it.
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that can work… like the red hot chili pipers!
wine and bread in the form of those cute white circled cookies?
No church that I know of still does wine after Covid. I don’t know if the wafers are white circled. This being a (very) old school church, they place the wafer right on the person’s tongue.
interesting and weird but nice to hear you both had a good time
Yes. I slept a bit but not much. I couldn’t really as there was a lot of stand-up, sit-down, stand-up going on. Lots of incense, too. I told Isa that, if she wants to go again, we’re going to sit further back to spare my lungs and she agreed to that even though she likes the incense.
ah yes church weed is not for everyone 
It’s odd that she likes it, given how anti-marijuana she is.
I fact-checked myself and need to offer a correction.
Latin Masses are not prohibited by the Vatican, but their use has been regulated. The Latin Mass, specifically the Traditional Latin Mass (TLM) as celebrated in the pre-Vatican II liturgical form, also known as the Tridentine Mass, has been subject to certain restrictions under Pope Francis.
- Pope Benedict XVI’s “Summorum Pontificum” (2007):
- Pope Benedict XVI allowed broader use of the Tridentine Mass, granting priests the ability to celebrate it without needing permission from their bishops. This was a significant step in preserving and promoting the use of the 1962 Roman Missal.
- Pope Francis’ “Traditionis Custodes” (2021):
- Pope Francis issued this apostolic letter to regulate the use of the Tridentine Mass more strictly. It requires:
- Bishops to oversee and approve the use of the Traditional Latin Mass in their dioceses.
- Restrictions on where and how often it can be celebrated.
- New groups wanting to celebrate the Tridentine Mass must have Vatican approval.
- Emphasis on celebrating the Novus Ordo (the post-Vatican II liturgy) as the ordinary form of the Mass.
- Reason for Regulation:
- Pope Francis expressed concerns about division and resistance to the Second Vatican Council’s liturgical reforms among some Traditional Latin Mass communities.
- The aim was to promote unity within the Church and encourage wider acceptance of the Novus Ordo.
nice, am sure the pope appreciates your effort as well
In the event of a nuclear conflict, it is said only the cockroaches will survive…
I can just imagine the peace on your face in this holy place.
How did you react to the wafers and how does your family react to them if you bring them with you?