Christianity

Religion
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You really don’t read what I write, do you, Ben? Or perhaps you just don’t understand it.

I do not say God doesn’t exist. I am not one of the group you call “Nothing People”. I do not believe in Nothing. I do not believe creation began from Nothing. I do not believe there is Nothing after we die. I do not know, Ben. It is the only right answer. It is the only adult answer.

You believe in fairy tales. I do not. This does not mean I assert the fairy tale is untrue. Maybe Santa really is up there in the North Pole somewhere, and maybe Alice in Wonderland is out there in Neverland, and maybe Jesus Christ is up there in Heaven waiting to return to Earth someday. I have never seen any credible evidence of any of them existing, but that doesn’t mean they don’t. Not believing they exist is not the same as believing they don’t exist.

It takes intellectual honesty and internal courage to say, “I don’t know, and I will probably never know, at least not until I die.” It is a courage and honesty most Christians lack. You lack it. Michele lacks it. My mother lacks it. I get that. Not knowing is not a safe place to be.

It is easier to believe that everything is going to be ok as long as I believe in this comforting fairy tale. It’s nice to think that Santa is going to come down the chimney with presents. But no, I don’t know if everything is going to be ok, and I don’t know if I’m going to get anything for Christmas next year. Saying “I don’t know” is unsettling, but it is the only honest answer, and I have the courage to face that.

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How arrogant are we that if there is a god, we could understand how it operates? We probably wouldn’t be able to comprehend. Not enough hows for the believers. Certainly not enough “I don’t know.”

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the religious people are obviously the silliest:

they claim their god created the universe… but their god was somehow always there or created by the same nothing they accuse and ridicule others with…

why cant the universe have always been there in some form and it was humans that created their gods in their minds? sounds way more likely to me…

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very arrogant and thats one of our better qualities we supposedly inherited when we were created in the image of our “god”

any sane being looking objectively at our accomplishments so far would judge us a 3- and whatever created humans would get an even worse grade lol

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Oh, nonsense, Ben! Reg knows he has a soul. You just have to learn how to read him. For instance, one of his next post is a confession of who he is. He’s telling you how unworthy he is, starting with the confession that he is a false apostle, while projecting deep flaws in whomever he is directing the scripture at. I realize he can argue that he is not “masquerading” as an apostle of Christ since he gives Christ no glory for anything, but if you reflect on his posts, he’s all the time listening to music that does give God glory and that is a strong indicator his inner desire is to share the untainted Love of God within himself.
It’s possible he could attempt to claim evolution but surely even he can look inward and see how far he has evolved from that request he made so many years ago for God to come knocking on his door, when in fact Christ said, I stand at the door and knock. Anyone who opens the door, I will enter and dine with him. The music Reg posts, apart from Christ, indicates Christ is still knocking. I guess what he meant was, if God knocks, I’m not answering so he will have to bust the door down and enter unwelcomed.

You’re a really wise man, Ben, and I enjoyed reading wisdom.

You believe in fantasies, Reg.

That is not true, at all. It takes nothing to say, I don’t know. What it takes to admit you do know is much more difficult, requires much more bravery in the face of mockers whom you know will pounce on your every word if you admit Truth, and takes faith the size of a mustard seed to confess, something you traded away.

Do you have the courage to face the fact that you are weak? Internally, you’re one of the weakest people here. Nico is the weakest but you are both internally speaking cowards.

If your accomplishments exceed your words, think about where your words rate and how much value there really is in them. After reading all of these posts, I’m more than willing to scroll past your post or even Reg’s post to read Ben’s, not because his posts are more interesting. Ben’s posts are filled with read-worthy wisdom that testifies of the renewing of his mind through hearing the Word, daily, while the two of you post mostly repetitive nonsense. I didn’t include Dan because even apart from giving God the glory, Dan speaks with more wisdom than either of you.

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I’m not finished…

Reg and Nico love to debate religion. Because Reg says, idk, I challenge both to debate the existence of Jesus. Nico can take from his own foolish platform, denying Truth while Reg can take from the Bible, making a case for His existence. I mean, if you have the courage.

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lol who is more a coward? someone who thinks and stand on their own 2 feet or someone that needs the backup of an imaginary almighty god? :wink:

there is no debate since, besides some hearsay written down outside of the timeline your jesus supposedly lived, there is zero proof of any existence of your jesus ever existing…

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Both but Reg would embarrass you with his flawless debate.

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lol those without shame or guilt cannot be embarrassed

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Heinlein wrote some interesting stuff 50-60 years ago speculating that maybe when we die, we get whatever we created for ourselves in life. So life is a process for creating our own afterlife. Those who expect nothing will get nothing. Those who expect to live with Jesus in some mansion in Heaven will get that. The Muslims will get their 72 virgins (as mathematically absurd as that is – perhaps their afterlife has a different set of mathematical rules). The Mormons will go breed with their Goddess-wives on the planet Kolob.

It’s a fun idea. No, I’m not asserting it as truth. It’s just fun to think about. I still do not know.

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yes heinlein indeed made some excellent statements:

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”

“Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other “sins” are invented nonsense.”

" Theology is never any help; it is searching in a dark cellar at midnight for a black cat that isn’t there. Theologians can persuade themselves of anything."

“History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.”

“But I contend that the disgusting behavior of many of their alleged ‘holy men’ relieves us of any intellectual obligation to take the stuff seriously. No amount of sanctimonious rationalization can make such behavior anything but pathological.”

“The Ten Commandments are for lame brains. The first five are solely for the benefit of the priests and the powers that be; the second five are half truths, neither complete nor adequate.”

" One man’s theology is another man’s belly laugh."

“God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent - it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks, please. Cash and in small bills.”

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I agree with almost all of that, and yet I admit the reality that Heinlein’s world was ugly. A violent and lawless place where the strong survived and the weak starved and died. He thought paying for the military was everyone’s obligation but paying for health care was socialist nonsense, and he thought everyone should carry guns because freedom. This was Heinlein’s Atheist dream.

The fact remains that Christians have built the most beautiful societies in the world. They’ve also built a few of the ugliest, but in general, they win on results. Europe and Canada were built on Christianity. China and Russia were built on Atheism. I know which I find more beautiful.

NOTE: I don’t count the US as it was built on some false religion that pretends to be Christian but is unrecognizable as Christianity. Jesus said turn the other cheek and the Americans interpret that as shoot another gun. The US is neither Christian nor Atheist.

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thats not a fact, thats a biased opinion… spreading hate and poisoning minds by force does not make anything beautiful

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All opinions are biased or they would be facts, but you’re right, that is my opinion.

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without christianity on the rise there likely wouldnt be any islam either… would be interesting to see a world where pagan druids ruled lol

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Do I go to whores no I no longer do that. Have I helped a whore with a bad trick yes. Have I stabbed a whore yes. Did I cheer when that whore in Ontario fought back against the incel dweeb who killed her pimp with a weapon yes I did. Incels are worse than pimps and johns and whores no question about it. Do I think it is real bad an elected politician breaks the law and does it with a slattern yes. Have I seen women
throw things like shoes etc at whores yes I have from balconies. Hope Kash Heed on Richmond City Council closes down the whorehouses there the problem made the news there in 2012 and again last year. Shame on the useless Liberal and NDP govt for not having a prostitution law in place. Hope the whores at the Five Orange are being treated well they are not all HAMC.

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Gross a guy who gives a trifle to charity and lies a lot and pays whores and holds the Bible upside down in public might be many things but he is not a gift from GOD. The guy threatens to invade Panama a country far away and no threat militarily to his country that is not a man of peace.

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Why are you digging yourself into a hole? You are going to have to check in to a shelter or rehab because your family cannot provide for you forever with no income. Is your plan mental illness?
You are even setting yourself up for mental health or jail.

What the hell is wrong with you? What issue is that depressing?

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Oh, so you have no conscious.

You don’t want to find fault with it? Point out alleged inconsistencies?

You worship heinlein? Is he your god?

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of course i do, they are 2 completely different things:

a conscious is your “internal moral guide”, its your brain considering what you should do; what worked before and what didnt and advises you to choose the “correct” path

guilt is when someone decides to follow that “incorrect” path, which is not something i will do

dont be silly, someone that believes all are equal can appreciate things people say and do but they do not worship anyone

worshipping is only for people that believe in inequality; people that pretend they are better than others and/or religious nuts