# Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** Park Bench\ **Created:** [May 27, 2018, 6:20am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18 "2018-05-27T06:20:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 750
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 9:04am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15050 "2024-10-25T09:04:55Z")
> [@Reg](#): > > He is the enemy of the Chinese people, who are my friends. Your friends are his military. That makes him Canada’s enemy. Why is Canada doing business with the enemy? ---
**Author:** ![NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/nickscafe/32/9765_2.png) [@NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/u/NicksCafe)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 1:05pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15051 "2024-10-25T13:05:57Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/_-eHOSq3oqI/maxresdefault.jpg "Why Economists Hate Trump's Tariff Plan | WSJ") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-eHOSq3oqI) You can see at 6 minutes, he has no idea how tariffs work. ---
**Author:** ![thinkingaboutit](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/ce73a5/32.png) [@thinkingaboutit](https://bbad.com/u/thinkingaboutit)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 1:15pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15052 "2024-10-25T13:15:08Z")
> [@NicksCafe](#): > > You can see at 6 minutes, he has no idea how tariffs work. you are worried about that? they are eating the pets, dude! [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Lu-z9DfNBXw/maxresdefault.jpg "The Last Dog in Springfield (Donald Trump "they're eating the dogs" song parody)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu-z9DfNBXw) ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 11:17am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15053 "2024-10-26T11:17:36Z")
> [@NicksCafe](#): > > he has no idea how tariffs work. How did government work before federal taxes were imposed on the American people? ---
**Author:** ![NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/nickscafe/32/9765_2.png) [@NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/u/NicksCafe)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:06pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15054 "2024-10-26T13:06:57Z")
Excises on fun things like booze and tobacco. Tariffs. Tariffs were paid the same. It’s always been the importer that pays them. Taxes were paid to the state and passed to the federal government. Then, Wilson came along. He is definitely the most underrated president of all time. The federal income tax wasn’t flawless. I believe it was a flat percentage, not based on income. They tried prohibition after the federal income was created, thinking they no longer needed the excise on booze. FDR had the richest taxed at 94% in the highest bracket. Eisenhower had it at 91%. The middle class has shrunk since the highest bracket is now 37%. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:57pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15055 "2024-10-26T13:57:27Z")
> [@NicksCafe](#): > > Excises on fun things like booze and tobacco. Tariffs. Tariffs were paid the same. It’s always been the importer that pays them. Taxes were paid to the state and passed to the federal government. So only the people who bought something paid for it, right? What’s wrong with that system? > [@NicksCafe](#): > > The middle class has shrunk since the highest bracket is now 37%. What does that tell you? That tells me that I pay both tariffs and federal taxes. ---
**Author:** ![NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/nickscafe/32/9765_2.png) [@NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/u/NicksCafe)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 5:29pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15056 "2024-10-26T17:29:10Z")
You do pay tariffs and federal taxes. Or the importer pays the tariff and you pay them back. I didn’t complain about tariffs. There are pros and cons. Without them, we would produce even less than we do now. There are some cons as they are tough to change and international relations can change. Look at us with Russia and Germany compared to 80 years ago. I didn’t say tariffs were bad. I said it is embrassing to have had a president that can’t grasp how they work. I almost thought maybe he did know how they work and he just says China is going to pay the tariff, because his followers like the sound of that even though he knows it’s BS. I have given him too much credit in the past for trying to sound dumb on purpose, which can come off as relatable to some. He’s just an idiot and cannot seem to learn. He is 78, so it is somewhat understandable, but not an excuse for a President that he didn’t know this earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15057 "2024-10-26T18:36:35Z")
> [@NicksCafe](#): > > I almost thought maybe he did know how they work and he just says China is going to pay the tariff, because his followers like the sound of that even though he knows it’s BS He’s stupid and doesn’t know how it works. He also thought Mexico would pay for the wall. ---
**Author:** ![NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/nickscafe/32/9765_2.png) [@NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/u/NicksCafe)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15058 "2024-10-26T18:50:44Z")
Sounds like he has had everything given to him his whole. China and Mexico just said “No. We will not give you money when it provides no benefit to us.” ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15059 "2024-10-27T00:58:15Z")
> [@NicksCafe](#): > > You do pay tariffs and federal taxes. Or the importer pays the tariff and you pay them back. > > I didn’t complain about tariffs. You support both tariffs and taxes on Americans? > [@NicksCafe](#): > > There are some cons as they are tough to change and international relations can change. You don’t think international relations have already changed? > [@NicksCafe](#): > > I didn’t say tariffs were bad. I said it is embrassing to have had a president that can’t grasp how they work. You don’t even know what embarrassing is. Embarrassing is pointing out how embarrassing an American leader is when you are in a different country. > [@NicksCafe](#): > > because his followers like the sound of that even though he knows it’s BS Oh, yeah. Can you share more BS cause that what we like to hear. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 2:10am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15060 "2024-10-27T02:10:28Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > You support both tariffs and taxes on Americans? I do. So does Trump, obviously, since he imposed huge tariffs and only cut taxes for the rich. Both of these things are necessary in the world we live in. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 8:05am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15061 "2024-10-27T08:05:51Z")
> [@Reg](#): > > Both of these things are necessary in the world we live in. No, they aren’t. You add insult to injury. Tariffs alone are enough run this country. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:05pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15062 "2024-10-27T17:05:46Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > No, they aren’t. You add insult to injury. Tariffs alone are enough run this country. Michele, you make me chuckle. Income taxes raise over 30 times as much money as tariffs. USA federal and state income taxes: $3,100,000,000,000 USA tariffs on other countries: $95,000,000,000 ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 5:55pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15063 "2024-10-27T17:55:11Z")
> [@Reg](#): > > Income taxes raise over 30 times as much money as tariffs. I know but it all goes back into political pockets in the form of kickbacks and you support that. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 6:10pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15064 "2024-10-27T18:10:53Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > > [@Reg](#): > > > > Income taxes raise over 30 times as much money as tariffs. > > I know but it all goes back into political pockets in the form of kickbacks and you support that. Michele, you need to be less simple. All tariffs in the US, of all kinds, on all countries, are not even enough to pay for your country’s annual road maintenance. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15065 "2024-10-27T18:41:22Z")
> [@Reg](#): > > Michele, you need to be less simple What does that mean? > [@Reg](#): > > All tariffs in the US, of all kinds, on all countries, are not even enough to pay for your country’s annual road maintenance. Then what do we need tariffs for? ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15066 "2024-10-27T18:45:29Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > Then what do we need tariffs for? To save your industries. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15067 "2024-10-27T18:46:25Z")
From what? ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15068 "2024-10-27T18:46:44Z")
Leaving over high taxes? ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18/15069 "2024-10-27T18:52:09Z")
Michele, your auto industry cannot compete. It has nothing to do with high taxes. In fact, corporate tax in China is much higher than either Canada or the USA. It has everything to do with unionized labour costing more than the non-union labour in China. It has everything to do with US safety and workplace health standards being far more rigorous than those in China. All those things are valid. I want workers to make a living wage and be safe, healthy and happy. But this costs money. China puts workers in giant dormitories where they live/sleep/eat/breathe their work. They pay them just enough to survive. We can’t compete with that, so we have to keep their products out of our markets to save our own industries. [Previous page](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18.md?page=749) [Next page](https://bbad.com/t/trump/18.md?page=751)