# Russia

**URL:** <https://bbad.com/t/russia/900>\
**Category:** Park Bench\
**Created:** [January 12, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900 "2020-01-12T20:03:20Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 15

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**Author:** ![NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/nickscafe/32/9765_2.png) [@NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/u/NicksCafe)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/281 "2023-02-21T22:06:50Z")

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I think the 2 quickest ways to end the war is to either kill putin or nuke ukraine. Ukraine is way bigger than most people realize.

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**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\
**Post date:** [February 21, 2023, 10:08pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/282 "2023-02-21T22:08:34Z")

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Killing Putin would be the best way, but nobody knows how to do it. He’s totally paranoid.

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**Author:** ![thinkingaboutit](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/ce73a5/32.png) [@thinkingaboutit](https://bbad.com/u/thinkingaboutit)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2023, 4:52am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/283 "2023-02-22T04:52:11Z")

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> [@NicksCafe](#):
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> I think the 2 quickest ways to end the war is to either kill putin or nuke ukraine. Ukraine is way bigger than most people realize.

if you manage to kill putin he will just be replaced with an even more aggressive high military person

the quickest way to end this war is to give back the east of ukraine to russia

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**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2023, 5:02am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/284 "2023-02-22T05:02:00Z")

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> [@thinkingaboutit](#):
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> if you manage to kill putin he will just be replaced with an even more aggressive high military person

I don’t agree with this. You are old enough to remember Gorbachev. It’s totally uncertain who would replace Putin, and Putin himself isn’t taking any steps to create a line of succession.

> [@thinkingaboutit](#):
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> the quickest way to end this war is to give back the east of ukraine to russia

Cure cancer while you’re at it. This isn’t going to happen without a million more dead.

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**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2023, 12:48pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/285 "2023-02-22T12:48:55Z")

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I read somewhere last night that Speaker McCarthy announced a withdrawal of funding to Ukraine.

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**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2023, 6:51pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/286 "2023-02-22T18:51:18Z")

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From CNN:

> “No, I support Ukraine,” McCarthy said when asked by CNN whether he supports Gaetz’s measure. “I don’t support a blank check, though. We spent $100 billion here, we want to win. I think the actions that President Biden has taken are a bit too late.”
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> Meanwhile, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell – who attended the Munich Security Conference over the weekend – has given an even sharper message, making it his personal mission of sorts to try and quell the more isolationist voices in his party and assure the Ukrainians that the US will not abandon them.
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> “Reports about the death of Republican support for strong American leadership in the world have been greatly exaggerated. … Don’t look at Twitter, look at people in power,” McConnell said at the security conference on Friday. “Republican leaders are committed to a strong trans-Atlantic alliance. We are committed to helping Ukraine.”
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> Source: [https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/22/politics/ukraine-aid-republican-leaders/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/22/politics/ukraine-aid-republican-leaders/index.html)

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**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\
**Post date:** [February 22, 2023, 10:02pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/287 "2023-02-22T22:02:42Z")

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> [@Reg](#):
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> Republican leaders are committed to a strong trans-Atlantic alliance. We are committed to helping Ukraine.”

By “help” I hope they mean “aid to the wounded”. Assistance in a humanitarian capacity is the only reasonable and humane solution. Anything more would be a waste.

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**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/288 "2023-02-24T12:56:20Z")

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> **[China calls for peace talks, ceasefire between Russia and Ukraine | CBC News](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6758815)**
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> China, a firm Russian ally, has called for a cease-fire between Ukraine and Russia and the opening of peace talks as part of a 12-point proposal to end the conflict.

Today marks the one year anniversary of the invasion of Ukraine. While I believe China has influence, I do not believe this 12-point plan will be successful. The U.S. Biden administration seems hell bent on war and for what? Why is the Biden regime throwing so much at this shitty little corrupt country?

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**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/289 "2023-02-24T17:44:54Z")

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> [@AgeofGrace](#):
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> The U.S. Biden administration seems hell bent on war and for what?

There’s some truth to this insofar as Biden hasn’t waffled at all. That said, it’s pretty clear the man who is hell bent for war is Putin. He invaded Ukraine. He sacrificed two hundred thousand of his own country’s lives. He has isolated his nation and destroyed its reputation. Let’s blame the right person.

> **[Soaring Death Toll Gives Grim Insight Into Russian Tactics (Published 2023)](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/02/us/politics/ukraine-russia-casualties.html)**
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> Moscow is sending poorly trained recruits, including convicts, to the front lines in eastern Ukraine to pave the way for more seasoned fighters, U.S. and allied officials say.

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**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 7:26pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/290 "2023-02-24T19:26:06Z")

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> [@Reg](#):
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> There’s some truth to this insofar as Biden hasn’t waffled at all. That said, it’s pretty clear the man who is hell bent for war is Putin. He invaded Ukraine. He sacrificed two hundred thousand of his own country’s lives. He has isolated his nation and destroyed its reputation. Let’s blame the right person.

If it’s all the same to you, Reg, I am blaming the right person.

> **[Biden: 'Ukraine Will Never Be a Victory for Russia. Never'](https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3304356/biden-ukraine-will-never-be-a-victory-for-russia-never/)**
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> After an unprecedented visit to Ukraine, President Joe Biden told a crowd in Warsaw, Poland, that "brutality will never grind down the will of a free Ukraine."

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**Author:** ![NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/nickscafe/32/9765_2.png) [@NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/u/NicksCafe)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 8:52pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/291 "2023-02-24T20:52:38Z")

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Are you going to move to Russia?

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**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/292 "2023-02-24T21:27:44Z")

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> [@AgeofGrace](#):
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> If it’s all the same to you, Reg, I am blaming the right person.

No, it’s not all the same to me, but you have the right to your opinion, even when it’s wrong, as it usually is.

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**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\
**Post date:** [February 24, 2023, 9:35pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/293 "2023-02-24T21:35:29Z")

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> [@Reg](#):
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> No, it’s not all the same to me, but you have the right to your opinion, even when it’s wrong, as it usually is.

No doubt. I often depend on intellects to get it right, even if it’s wrong.

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**Author:** ![Gundi](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Gundi](https://bbad.com/u/Gundi)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 10:37am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/294 "2023-02-26T10:37:31Z")

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> [@thinkingaboutit](#):
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> the quickest way to end this war is to give back the east of ukraine to russia

A pity the Dutch in WW II didn’t have the same attitude of yours back then, as it once belonged to the Holy Roman Empire. And why actually just the East, as all of Ukraine once belonged to the Sovjets?

I disagree with Scholz, my chancellor, on most decisions, but he was right on one assessment. Namely that if today politics should consider what chunk of lands once belonged to other countries, then the whole world would sink in wars. East Ukraine has that many Russians because the Russians sent ethnic Russians to these areas. No wonder the majority of Ukrainians refuse to give the East to Russia.

The fastest way to end this war realistically, is to finally send the weapons the Ukrainians need to beat the Russians out of their country incl. the Krim.

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**Author:** ![thinkingaboutit](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/ce73a5/32.png) [@thinkingaboutit](https://bbad.com/u/thinkingaboutit)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/295 "2023-02-26T18:12:11Z")

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> [@Gundi](#):
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> A pity the Dutch in WW II didn’t have the same attitude of yours back then, as it once belonged to the Holy Roman Empire.

because we were never (completely) incorporated into the roman empire and we were not invaded by romans in ww2

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**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 6:12pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/296 "2023-02-26T18:12:16Z")

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> [@Gundi](#):
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> if today politics should consider what chunk of lands once belonged to other countries, then the whole world would sink in wars.

That is true, but it is also totally circular.

If we are to justify that almost land was taken by war and just accept it (and it was, and we must), then we are, obviously, justifying war to take land.

If it was ok for the Anglo Saxons to invade and take control of the UK from the Roman Empire and local warlords, and we are all to accept that reality, then how is it now suddenly horrible for Russians to invade Ukraine today? By your own logic, we should just accept this new reality that Russia controls part of Ukraine.

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**Author:** ![thinkingaboutit](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/ce73a5/32.png) [@thinkingaboutit](https://bbad.com/u/thinkingaboutit)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/297 "2023-02-26T18:24:45Z")

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> [@Gundi](#):
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> No wonder the majority of Ukrainians refuse to give the East to Russia.
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> The fastest way to end this war realistically, is to finally send the weapons the Ukrainians need to beat the Russians out of their country incl. the Krim.

yes almost 20% of ukrain population is ethnically russian and want to be part of russia and the majority of ukrain has russian relatives…

what kind of weapons do you propose to fix that? gas chambers?

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**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/298 "2023-02-26T19:20:24Z")

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What about the Belgians? As I recall, they’ve been under the control of the Austrians, the Spanish, the Dutch, the Lotharingians, and probably more that I don’t know about. Who will they be returning their land to?

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**Author:** ![Gundi](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Gundi](https://bbad.com/u/Gundi)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 7:29pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/299 "2023-02-26T19:29:52Z")

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Then the Holy Roman Empire map I look at must have been drawn wrongly, lol.

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**Author:** ![thinkingaboutit](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/ce73a5/32.png) [@thinkingaboutit](https://bbad.com/u/thinkingaboutit)\
**Post date:** [February 26, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/300 "2023-02-26T19:35:28Z")

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> [@Gundi](#):
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> Then the Holy Roman Empire map I look at must have been drawn wrongly, lol.

correct, nothing above the rhine river was conquered  
now you know where the asterix and obelix stories come from? 😉

> **[Netherlands in the Roman era](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands_in_the_Roman_era)**
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> For around 450 years, from around 55 BC to around 410 AD, the southern part of the Netherlands was integrated into the Roman Empire. During this time the Romans in the Netherlands had an enormous influence on the lives and culture of the people who lived in the Netherlands at the time and (indirectly) on the generations that followed.
> During the Gallic Wars, the area south and west of the Rhine was conquered by Roman forces under Julius Caesar in a series of campaigns from 57 BC to 53 BC. The ap...

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