# Russia **URL:** \ **Category:** Park Bench\ **Created:** [January 12, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900 "2020-01-12T20:03:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/181 "2022-04-09T17:44:56Z")
I am still amazed this is happening. Only a few wars have had so little upside for the invader. Vietnam. Iraq. Afghanistan for both the US and Russia. Now Ukraine, which will leave both Russia and Ukraine vastly worse off than they were when the war started. And Ukraine will recover faster. Russia loses horribly no matter what happens from here on. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/who_scowls_like_that/32/6042_2.png) [@Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/u/Who_Scowls_Like_That)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2022, 6:42pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/182 "2022-04-09T18:42:16Z")
In fact, he explicitly said in Future Shock that he was not making predictions. “No serious futurist deals in prediction”, he wrote. “These are left for television oracles and newspaper astrologers.” he forgot article-clickers ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/183 "2022-04-20T16:11:50Z")
Again, I’m uncomfortable with this. Some guy is playing tennis, maybe hates Putin and loves Ukraine, and now he can’t play tennis anymore because of Putin’s war. I don’t know what the west hopes to achieve but this does not seem well thought through. It is not in our interests to isolate the Russian people. Their leaders, sure. Destroy their economy, maybe. Make their people pariahs, no way. > **[Wimbledon bans Russian, Belarusian players over invasion of Ukraine | CBC Sports](https://www.cbc.ca/sports/tennis/wimbledon-bans-russians-1.6424528?cmp=rss)** > > Tennis players from Russia and Belarus will not be allowed to play at Wimbledon this year because of the war in Ukraine, the All England Club announced Wednesday. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/184 "2022-04-20T17:40:28Z")
Apparently I’m not the only one who feels this way. > **[ATP slams Wimbledon's 'unfair' ban of Russian and Belarusian players](https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220420-atp-slams-wimbledon-s-unfair-ban-of-russian-and-belarusian-players)** > > Wimbledon's decision to ban Russian and Belarusian players from this year's tournament has been slammed as "unfair" by men's tour organisers the ATP. ---
**Author:** ![NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/nickscafe/32/9765_2.png) [@NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/u/NicksCafe)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/185 "2022-04-20T19:17:34Z")
I wonder if they’ll let djokovic play. He has not played well lately. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2022, 6:53pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/186 "2022-05-13T18:53:15Z")
This made me chuckle. > Putin dies and goes to hell, but after a while, he is given a day off for good behavior. > > So he goes to Moscow, enters a bar, orders a drink, and asks the bartender: > > -Is Crimea ours? > > -Yes, it is. > > -And the Donbas? > > -Also ours. > > -And Kyiv? > > -We got that too. > > Satisfied, Putin drinks, and asks: > > -Thanks, how much do I owe you? > > -5 euros. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/who_scowls_like_that/32/6042_2.png) [@Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/u/Who_Scowls_Like_That)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/187 "2022-05-14T22:20:35Z")
i taught my dog to sit every time a bell rings then i attached a bell to the dog’s collar vs. germany marched on moscow after an exhausting russian war that works ---
**Author:** ![Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/who_scowls_like_that/32/6042_2.png) [@Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/u/Who_Scowls_Like_That)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2022, 11:23pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/188 "2022-05-14T23:23:19Z")
here’s another canadian punk bruce cockburn “…i don’t believe in hate…” “…if i had a rocket launcher i would retaliate…” r u lissening, punk? ---
**Author:** ![Gundi](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Gundi](https://bbad.com/u/Gundi)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 7:13am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/189 "2022-05-15T07:13:21Z")
I always viewed the parts of Russia as European, which people and their culture has more in common with Europe than with Asia. This excludes for example Kasachstan, Turkmenistan, Usbekistan etc. I feel more familiar and close with people living in Moscow than in Istanbul or China. That‘s why I think the EU and Russia should build strong economical and military bonds. I hope Putin dies soon and the EU and it’s countries find a balance with the US and Russia. But none of the latter has the right to interfere with any of the EU (or any other countries) peaceful affairs. But both countries unfortunately think that‘s their right as a superpower. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 7:15am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/190 "2022-05-15T07:15:41Z")
> [@Gundi](#): > > I hope Putin dies soon and the EU and it’s countries find a balance with the US and Russia. Amen to this. Putin’s death is essential to progress and I hope it comes soon. That said, I do not think the EU should ever again put itself in a position of dependency on Russia. I am not lecturing here. I totally supported Merkel’s decisions on Nordstream and Nordstream 2 but these have proven to be wrong and this error must never be repeated. ---
**Author:** ![Gundi](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Gundi](https://bbad.com/u/Gundi)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 7:30am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/191 "2022-05-15T07:30:55Z")
I supported Merkel and Schröder on this matter as well. I also supported them not to give in on the US demands of putting more money into the military, as I simply didn‘t see the risks of war since the fall of the Iron Curtain and we need that money so urgently in other areas, due to the irresponsible immigration policy of my country and the EU, and the still high dept of especially the southern EU countries like Greece and Italy. Not to mention our own bad set-up for future technologies and thus economy or the climate problems. And there are many more. War isn‘t something we can afford as well now. But I am willing to throw everything against Russia, if Putin doesn‘t withdraw from all of Ukraine. Including Crimea. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 7:34am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/192 "2022-05-15T07:34:20Z")
I don’t think Ukraine will ever get Crimea back, but I think the rest is possible. I also think nuclear war is possible. More possible if I’m assigning odds. I don’t envy the decision makers. The stakes are high. ---
**Author:** ![Gundi](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Gundi](https://bbad.com/u/Gundi)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 9:19am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/193 "2022-05-15T09:19:46Z")
I agree, despite I think it‘s wrong regarding the message this still would send out to Russia and autocratic states. We should throw it in as a compromise to accept the Russian use of Crimea as a main naval base on Ukrainian territory and that‘s it. Russia has as much to lose as the West and the Status Quo is more than Russia deserves due it starting the war in 2014 already and given it‘s aggressive policy and wars it supported and led even before that (Belarus, Georgia and Chechnaya for example) in order to reestablish the Soviet Union. But unfortunately, i am a minority on that issue and likely Crimea will stay Russian due to the weak and fearful West. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 9:39am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/194 "2022-05-15T09:39:47Z")
> [@Gundi](#): > > Russia has as much to lose as the West No, this is wrong, and it is the root of the problem. The sanctions have blasted Russia back 40 years. Their economy can’t withstand this for long. They are almost certainly going to collapse economically within a few years. Russia now has _ **nothing** _ to lose, and that is the problem. The west has everything to lose. I am wrong on most predictions and I admit that, but I see very few possible outcomes to this conflict that don’t result in nuclear weapons fired on Europe. I see many possible outcomes that result in a full-scale nuclear WW3. The question then becomes, do you care enough about Crimea (and Ukraine in general) to accept Frankfurt in a radioactive glow for the next thousand years? Perhaps your answer is yes. If so, I respect that. I am not sure what my answer is. But that is the question Herr Scholz faces. ---
**Author:** ![Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/who_scowls_like_that/32/6042_2.png) [@Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/u/Who_Scowls_Like_That)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 11:27am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/195 "2022-05-15T11:27:32Z")
gee with such smart people it’s a wonder there are any problems ---
**Author:** ![Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/who_scowls_like_that/32/6042_2.png) [@Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/u/Who_Scowls_Like_That)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 11:40am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/196 "2022-05-15T11:40:40Z")
> [@Gundi](#): > > I always viewed good enough for me, you ignorant slut or should i wheel out that old standard you fucking nazi cunt ---
**Author:** ![Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/who_scowls_like_that/32/6042_2.png) [@Who\_Scowls\_Like\_That](https://bbad.com/u/Who_Scowls_Like_That)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 12:06pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/197 "2022-05-15T12:06:35Z")
> [@Gundi](#): > > I always viewed the parts of Russia as European ![image](https://bbad.com/uploads/default/original/2X/e/e4411938fd76e7099fdd6b065bb7791def2c5534.png) don’t thank me ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2022, 10:04am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/198 "2022-05-29T10:04:12Z")
Interesting, this. A Russia Youtuber mocking the sanctions. St. Petersburg still looks beautiful. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/QbFM7Y1B6Cg/hqdefault.jpg "TERRIBLE Consequences of SANCTIONS. Life in Russia after Three Months of Isolation. PARODY") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbFM7Y1B6Cg) ---
**Author:** ![Gundi](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Gundi](https://bbad.com/u/Gundi)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 2:49pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/199 "2022-06-16T14:49:07Z")
> [@Reg](#): > > No, this is wrong, and it is the root of the problem. The sanctions have blasted Russia back 40 years. Their economy can’t withstand this for long. They are almost certainly going to collapse economically within a few years. Russia now has _ **nothing** _ to lose, and that is the problem. The west has everything to lose. > > I am wrong on most predictions and I admit that, but I see very few possible outcomes to this conflict that don’t result in nuclear weapons fired on Europe. I see many possible outcomes that result in a full-scale nuclear WW3. > > The question then becomes, do you care enough about Crimea (and Ukraine in general) to accept Frankfurt in a radioactive glow for the next thousand years? Perhaps your answer is yes. If so, I respect that. I am not sure what my answer is. But that is the question Herr Scholz faces. Not as long as Russia gets supported by China, India, Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern as well as even African countries. The West even is that stupid to let Putin destroy big chunks of their freshly delivered weapons. Jesus, Germany and so many other European countries don‘t even send significant weapons. That way we can‘t win but make it even way worse. And so we will reap what we deserve with our cowardice. So yes, I rather would risk that my country or big parts of Europe will glow for a few thousand years if Putin is that sick, instead to nod to everything superpower countries ask for. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2022, 3:44pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900/200 "2022-06-16T15:44:02Z")
> [@Gundi](#): > > Not as long as Russia gets supported by China, India, Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern as well as even African countries. When I wrote that, sanctions were still new. A month later, we’ve seen them having very little effect. I bought into the media hype that Russia was on the verge of economic collapse. That no longer seems likely at all. This is good, in a way, as the chance of nuclear war seems to be reduced. Unfortunately for the Ukrainians, it now seems unlikely they’ll ever get their country back. [Previous page](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900.md?page=9) [Next page](https://bbad.com/t/russia/900.md?page=11)