# Cars **URL:** \ **Category:** Garrulous Geeks\ **Created:** [September 12, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300 "2018-09-12T21:52:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 68
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1353 "2023-05-28T15:30:51Z")
Yes, but at what cost? ---
**Author:** ![NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/nickscafe/32/9765_2.png) [@NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/u/NicksCafe)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2023, 3:33pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1354 "2023-05-28T15:33:59Z")
Well, they say their sodium batteries will be cheap. They’ll probably hate USA, so probably high tariff? ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1355 "2023-05-28T15:34:32Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > Reg, sometimes I truly question your degree of education. The first known use of Swastika was for marking cattle. The Cross has always been a symbol of forgiving Grace. > In [Asia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia), the swastika symbol first appears in the archaeological record around[[71]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-Kathleen_M._Nadeau_2010_87-73) 3000 BCE in the Indus Valley Civilisation.[[84]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-Heller_2008-86)[[85]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-87) It also appears in the [Bronze](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age) and [Iron Age](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Age) cultures around the [Black Sea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea) and the [Caspian Sea](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea). In all these cultures, the swastika symbol does not appear to occupy any marked position or significance, appearing as just one form of a series of similar symbols of varying complexity. In the [Zoroastrian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism) religion of [Persia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Persia), the swastika was a symbol of the revolving sun, infinity, or continuing creation.[[86]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-88)[[87]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-89) It is one of the most common symbols on [Mesopotamian](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesopotamia) coins.[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-britswast-1) > > The icon has been of spiritual significance to Indian religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism.[[8]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-p.97-8)[[1]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-britswast-1) The swastika is a sacred symbol in the [Bön](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%B6n) religion, native to [Tibet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibet). > **[Swastika](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika)** > > The swastika (卐 or 卍) is a symbol used in various Eurasian religions and cultures, as well as a few African and American cultures. In the Western world, it is widely recognized as a symbol of the German Nazi Party who appropriated it for their party insignia starting in the early 20th century. The appropriation continues with its use by neo-Nazis around the world. The swastika was and continues to be used as a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions, including Hinduism The word... ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2023, 3:40pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1356 "2023-05-28T15:40:47Z")
_The earliest known use of the word swastika is in [Pāṇini](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C4%81%E1%B9%87ini)’s Ashtadhyayi , which uses it to explain one of the Sanskrit grammar rules, in the context of a type of identifying mark on a cow’s ear.[[32]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-Schliemann347-34) Most scholarship suggests that Pāṇini lived in or before the 4th century BCE,[[36]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-38)[[37]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-39) possibly in 6th or 5th century BCE.[[38]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-40)[[39]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika#cite_note-41)_ ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1357 "2023-05-28T15:46:30Z")
> [@NicksCafe](#): > > Well, they say their sodium batteries will be cheap. They’ll probably hate USA, so probably high tariff? Why would they hate the U.S.? China is only interested in world domination and their power is gained from the back of hard working U.S. taxpayers. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2023, 3:50pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1358 "2023-05-28T15:50:50Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > The earliest known use of the _ **word** _ swastika is in That is the earliest use of the word. Who cares about the word? We’re talking about the symbol. Come to think of it, who even cares about the earliest use of the symbol? The thing has a 5000+ year history. Its meaning has obviously evolved. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1360 "2023-05-28T16:11:58Z")
> [@Reg](#): > > That is the earliest use of the word. Who cares about the word? I do. The original Greek word comes from the symbol. > [@Reg](#): > > Come to think of it, who even cares about the earliest use of the symbol? Probably nobody. The thing I care about is the modern day alignment of that symbol with the Cross of Christ. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2023, 4:18pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1361 "2023-05-28T16:18:31Z")
> **[Fifty Cocaine packages marked with Nazi swastika emblem and 'Hitler' branding...](https://www.ladbible.com/news/cocaine-packages-nazi-swastika-peru-069924-20230526)** > > Over fifty packages of cocaine marked with Nazi swastikas have been seized by police in Peru. This is why it’s important. Jesus was not a drug dealer. If we allow the rulers of this world to merge the two symbols as one, the message is lost and hope with it. ---
**Author:** ![NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/nickscafe/32/9765_2.png) [@NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/u/NicksCafe)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1362 "2023-05-28T17:04:36Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > > [@NicksCafe](#): > > > > Well, they say their sodium batteries will be cheap. They’ll probably hate USA, so probably high tariff? > > Why would they hate the U.S.? China is only interested in world domination and their power is gained from the back of hard working U.S. taxpayers. They probably won’t. We can’t afford to sanction them. Maybe you will get a good deal on that chinese battery after all. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2023, 12:58am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1363 "2023-05-29T00:58:15Z")
> [@NicksCafe](#): > > Maybe you will get a good deal on that chinese battery after all. Not likely. Salt was 7% higher last year. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2023, 1:05am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1364 "2023-05-29T01:05:31Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > > [@NicksCafe](#): > > > > Maybe you will get a good deal on that chinese battery after all. > > Not likely. Salt was 7% higher last year. Lithium: $37,000 USD per metric ton Salt: $162 USD per metric ton If this Chinese pull this off with sodium batteries, the $2000 electric car may be possible. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1365 "2023-05-29T01:11:39Z")
You would think that would make electric cars dirt cheap but you and I both know they will do any and every disgusting thing they can to keep the cost of cars at or near the same price of a gas-powered car. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2023, 2:55am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1366 "2023-05-29T02:55:26Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > you and I both know they will do any and every disgusting thing they can to keep the cost of cars at or near the same price of a gas-powered car. No, we don’t know that. I certainly don’t expect that. The American way is to do that. The European way, too. Keep prices high and lie to consumers about how it’s somehow worth $160k to drive a car that so isolates you from the outside that you might as well be in a coffin. The Chinese way is to to cut prices so low that Americans and Europeans can’t compete and eventually go out of business. The Indian way is the same. Some call this cut throat. I call it good for the world. If American and European car makers are so obstinately set in their ways that they continue to build 5000 lb behemoth SUVs and trucks that nobody needs (but Americans want for some reason), then let them die when new competition shows up. I’m actually almost cheering for the Chinese on this one. I hate Xi and I hate the Chinese regime but I also hate the current state of the car market. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2023, 1:12pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1367 "2023-05-29T13:12:00Z")
> [@Reg](#): > > No, we don’t know that. I certainly don’t expect that. The American way is to do that. The European way, too. Keep prices high and lie to consumers about how it’s somehow worth $160k to drive a car that so isolates you from the outside that you might as well be in a coffin. You mean like this coffin⬇️ [https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRoLBwoq/](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRoLBwoq/) > [@Reg](#): > > The Chinese way is to to cut prices so low that Americans and Europeans can’t compete and eventually go out of business. The Indian way is the same. Some call this cut throat. I call it good for the world. If American and European car makers are so obstinately set in their ways that they continue to build 5000 lb behemoth SUVs and trucks that nobody needs (but Americans want for some reason), then let them die when new competition shows up. Reg, I think quality over quantity makes American made cars seem rare in other countries. I personally, do not think our cars are rare but we expect the cars we drive be well built, durable and long lasting. Having said that, it will not surprise me if Biden forces manufacturers to experiment with marked down products from Asia on the assembly line, in the process, reducing our value to nothing along with the USD. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2023, 9:17am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1368 "2023-05-30T09:17:31Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/CkovsclsXYE/maxresdefault.jpg "NEW 2024 Volkswagen GTI Roadster Coupe - Exterior and Interior 4K") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkovsclsXYE) ---
**Author:** ![NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/nickscafe/32/9765_2.png) [@NicksCafe](https://bbad.com/u/NicksCafe)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 1:41am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1369 "2023-06-14T01:41:56Z")
[https://www.hotcars.com/2025-toyota-stout-dominate-compact-pickup-truck-market/#the-2025-toyota-stout-will-be-built-on-the-robust-tnga-k-platform](https://www.hotcars.com/2025-toyota-stout-dominate-compact-pickup-truck-market/#the-2025-toyota-stout-will-be-built-on-the-robust-tnga-k-platform) Toyota is making a cheap, small pickup. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 1:46am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1370 "2023-06-14T01:46:49Z")
Funny, as this came in, I was just looking at Toyotas. I quite like them. Bumper-to-bumper warranty for 7 years is nice, too, including cosmetic wheel damage. ![image](https://discourse.bbad.com/uploads/default/original/2X/b/bcc568cfd8ae384bbb0229020657b54ec2b3c35b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 6:21am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1371 "2023-06-14T06:21:53Z")
I especially like the Toyota Crown. I’m old and still think sedans look better than SUVs. ![image](https://discourse.bbad.com/uploads/default/original/2X/1/1f2da0ca63e3462fdf50482e28f18446cff8505d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1372 "2023-06-14T20:49:15Z")
I was reminded today why I like VW. The dealer called me. I need my transmission service, my major fuel injector service, my brake fluid changed, and my oil changed (synthetic). $900 USD plus tax. That would’ve been $3000 on my last car (a Benz). I would think Toyota service costs about the same as VW. Service costs are another big reason to avoid prestige cars. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2023, 4:39am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300/1373 "2023-07-02T04:39:48Z")
China gets this battery electric SUV for $15k fully loaded. How are we supposed to compete? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/qzWsDC6ORn8/maxresdefault.jpg "The Happiest $13k EV - Baojun Yep Review") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzWsDC6ORn8) [Previous page](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300.md?page=67) [Next page](https://bbad.com/t/cars/300.md?page=69)