# Canada 2018 **URL:** \ **Category:** Park Bench\ **Created:** [December 20, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547 "2018-12-20T18:06:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/1 "2018-12-20T18:06:13Z")
Tough year for Canada on the world stage. First we had a huge spat with the Saudis over a tweet which encouraged the release of peaceful protesters. Then Trump went on his NAFTA binge which ended in, well, no significant changes. Finally, we arrested a Chinese businesswoman for the US and everything has hit the fan with China. I am totally on Canada’s side with the first two. Trump and the Saudis are both bullies and telling them to f off was 100% the right decision. The third is much harder. I hate that we were used by Trump to arrest a businesswoman for something that isn’t a crime in Canada (dealing with Iran). That said, we do have such a treaty with the Americans and treaties are worthless if one side ignores them. I can only hope our Supreme Court declines to extradite her and releases her. Hopefully we’ll be in the news less in 2019. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 11:00am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/2 "2023-04-07T11:00:59Z")
> **[Trudeau wants hard drugs available for kids!](https://www.wnd.com/2023/04/trudeau-wants-hard-drugs-available-kids/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=wnd-breaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=breaking&ats_es=%5B-MD5-%5D)** > > Canada has moved, on several issues, to an extreme, such as assisted suicide – freely available, transgenderism – a protected class, and speech limits. I’m sure this is nothing and will go away. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/3 "2023-04-07T17:39:57Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > I’m sure this is nothing and will go away. That’s exactly right. It is nothing and will go away. And you’re totally gullible for believing such an absurd and obviously false story. > A [report from Newpunch](https://newspunch.com/justin-trudeau-to-legalize-hard-drugs-for-children-its-time-to-destigmatize-class-as/)has revealed, “Justin Trudeau has announced plans to legalize hard drugs for children, including heroin and crack cocaine, as part of a new radical policy aimed at destigmatizing drug addiction.” God. Anyone who believes this should probably be sent to forced reeducation camps. ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/greg/32/9583_2.png) [@Greg](https://bbad.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 8:52am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/4 "2024-06-28T08:52:15Z")
It did not go away and the country is worse off for it. Trudeau the PM just lost a by election in a riding his party has held for 30 years they were expected to win by 5% and lost by 2%. The national poll shows the opposition Tories 20% ahead. ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/greg/32/9583_2.png) [@Greg](https://bbad.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 8:55am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/5 "2024-06-28T08:55:03Z")
My bad my bad we just made crack and meth and heroin to smoke on sidewalks in BC legal for 3 years as an experiment. WND is total crap. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 9:07am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/6 "2024-06-28T09:07:16Z")
> [@Greg](#): > > It did not go away and the country is worse off for it. Vote him out. I doubt he cares. He can run the WHO or maybe someone will nominate him to a corporate board. > [@Greg](#): > > Trudeau the PM just lost a by election in a riding his party has held for 30 years A riding? I’m not following. > [@Greg](#): > > My bad my bad we just made crack and meth and heroin to smoke on sidewalks in BC legal for 3 years as an experiment. WND is total crap. Why would you pass a law like that? What positive outcome does your government think will materialize from it? ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/greg/32/9583_2.png) [@Greg](https://bbad.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 10:15am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/7 "2024-06-28T10:15:36Z")
A riding is our version of a congressional district. I thought the idea was bad policy and that it would fail street disorder went up as did the fatal overdose rate they walked back part of the policy this year they should scrap the whole thing. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 5:07pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/8 "2024-06-28T17:07:38Z")
And deny the druggies their fix? That’s cruel, unless you have a solution. Do you have a fix for them besides going cold turkey? ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/greg/32/9583_2.png) [@Greg](https://bbad.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/9 "2024-06-28T17:50:28Z")
Not mine or society’s job to give junkies their addictive and soul destroying substances. When I was living in Richmond, BC they tried to open a safe injection site two buildings from where I was staying. There was a large protest against it and 17,000 signed a petition against it and the plan was canceled. I grew up in Richmond there was almost no homeless and minimal IV drug use. There is a noticeable homeless problem now in the Downtown area and I would hear ppl talking about East Van and HA drug gangs causing problems on the street. I have met ppl who quit IV drugs hopefully more will. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/10 "2024-06-28T19:06:20Z")
Canada experimented with a harm-reduction strategy in which we stopped prosecuting public drug use. Drug dealing was still illegal. The idea was to reduce jail usage and to divert the saved funds to more treatment programs. This is an option that has been discussed for my entire life. I remember hearing people advocate for this back in the 70s, and not just in Canada but all around the world. It was a worthy effort but it failed, and we admitted it failed. Public drug use increased. Now we’ve tried it, we’ve seen that it didn’t work, and we can take this option off the table. At no time did “Trudeau want hard drugs available for kids”. That is just typical lunatic US media talking excrement, which is normal for them as they’re full of the stuff. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 11:24am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/11 "2024-06-29T11:24:46Z")
> [@Greg](#): > > There is a noticeable homeless problem now in the Downtown area That’s a real shame but those are the unintended consequences. Did you support the city’s plan? > [@Greg](#): > > and I would hear ppl talking about East Van and HA drug gangs causing problems on the street. Drug use and idle hands are a recipe for disaster. Didn’t Reg just recently state that humans are not wired to do nothing and yet there you have your proof and the problem continues on. > [@Reg](#): > > It was a worthy effort but it failed, and we admitted it failed. Public drug use increased. Now we’ve tried it, we’ve seen that it didn’t work, and we can take this option off the table. Admitting it failed doesn’t fix the monster problem they created. Now you all just have to deal with higher crime and more homelessness since your government doesn’t have a plan to fix it. > [@Reg](#): > > At no time did “Trudeau want hard drugs available for kids”. That is just typical lunatic US media talking excrement, which is normal for them as they’re full of the stuff. The original source, True North, was Canadian. Their reporting was from a letter from local officials in the city of Toronto. They didn’t consider a plan B in the letter and you should be offended by their less than professional approach instead of this oh well, that didn’t work out. Let’s scrap the agenda and focus our energy on airport delays. > **[94de-Torontos-Model-of-Decriminalizing-Drugs-for-Personal-use-March-22-2023-FINAL.pdf](https://www.toronto.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/94de-Torontos-Model-of-Decriminalizing-Drugs-for-Personal-use-March-22-2023-FINAL.pdf)** ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2024, 12:19pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/12 "2024-06-29T12:19:46Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > Admitting it failed doesn’t fix the monster problem they created. Now you all just have to deal with higher crime and more homelessness since your government doesn’t have a plan to fix it. It’s not a monster problem at all. We have far less desperation than almost any US city. And our government did have a plan, implemented the plan, and successfully addressed the problem. We built well over 500 new units for homeless people in Vancouver alone, not counting those in Surrey and other suburbs. > [@AgeofGrace](#): > > The original source, True North, was Canadian. They are our version of OAN. They’re full of excrement, too. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 11:10am UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/13 "2024-06-30T11:10:04Z")
> [@Reg](#): > > It’s not a monster problem at all. We have far less desperation than almost any US city. I don’t doubt that at all. Under Biden, nothing has been addressed except the war in Ukraine. > [@Reg](#): > > And our government did have a plan, implemented the plan, and successfully addressed the problem. The City of Toronto experimented with decriminalization of drugs. They have yet to address the core issue. In fact, those city officials are still pushing for decriminalization. > **[Toronto refuses to back down from push to decriminalize illegal drugs](https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/toronto-refuses-to-back-down-from-push-to-decriminalize-illegal-drugs/article_78f82e0e-139e-11ef-9a02-87895529dd92.html)** > > A blunt two-page letter reiterates that the province is "100 per cent opposed" to the Toronto proposal. > [@Reg](#): > > We built well over 500 new units for homeless people in Vancouver alone, not counting those in Surrey and other suburbs. First, I think that’s a positive step in the right direction and demonstrates real concern for the homeless, at least those in Vancouver, but how many of those who received housing were actually drug users? How long do you think a drug user will live in a real home before the electricity is turned off? I’m certain it won’t take very long as wired up humans are not motivated for work to pay the bills. At best, they will take from any source with more than them. Having said that, Toronto, where this decriminalization experiment took place, has not addressed homelessness nor has it really addressed the issue of drug use and the danger of dirty needles on the streets, beyond resisting the push to decriminalize drugs. > [@Reg](#): > > They are our version of OAN. They’re full of excrement, too. What about The Star, Reg? Does The Star measure up to praiseworthy degree of excellence as a reliable source for reading, research and reporting on current events? ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/greg/32/9583_2.png) [@Greg](https://bbad.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 2:17pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/14 "2024-06-30T14:17:55Z")
The Toronto Star though considered a left wing rag by my old right wing friends on can.politics I find to be a good read. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 3:13pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/15 "2024-06-30T15:13:41Z")
Oh, I was talking about The Star but it’s The Toronto Star. How embarrassing. I did not know that. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/16 "2024-06-30T16:37:46Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > The City of Toronto experimented with decriminalization of drugs > [@AgeofGrace](#): > > Toronto, where this decriminalization experiment took place Incorrect. They tried to. Trudeau refused. > **[Canada denies Toronto's ask to decriminalise hard drugs](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-69030470)** > > The city had sought to loosen laws on possessing small amounts as it grappled with overdose deaths. > [@AgeofGrace](#): > > how many of those who received housing were actually drug users? How long do you think a drug user will live in a real home before the electricity is turned off? I’m certain it won’t take very long as wired up humans are not motivated for work to pay the bills. At best, they will take from any source with more than them. We pay for their electricity, their water, their heat, and even their food. ---
**Author:** ![AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/c2a13f/32.png) [@AgeofGrace](https://bbad.com/u/AgeofGrace)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/17 "2024-06-30T17:06:17Z")
> [@Reg](#): > > We pay for their electricity, their water, their heat, and even their food. Then why is homelessness an issue? ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 5:13pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/18 "2024-06-30T17:13:28Z")
> [@AgeofGrace](#): > > Then why is homelessness an issue? Drugs and mental illness. Keep in mind, it is far less of an issue here than it is where society does not pay for these things. Vancouver, especially, has done an amazing job cleaning up homelessness. ---
**Author:** ![Greg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/greg/32/9583_2.png) [@Greg](https://bbad.com/u/Greg)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/19 "2024-06-30T20:22:01Z")
They tried just like Trevor Robinson did in his two terms of Mayor but it is still bad and there are homeless camps even in Hope, BC also see them in Langley and Kelowna the one there had 50 tents next to the railway tracks right beside the emergency night shelter which I assume was full. Back under Harper it was not this bad not even close and that was when I was homeless. Reg is right drugs and mental illness are major causes of homelessness but some are failed career criminals and some are drunks a few are just having bad luck. Saw a guy on a sidewalk today in Hope seen him before he had dirty clothes black crap over his lips too and bottom and was holding his drug pipe in both hands was friendly had a European accent. ---
**Author:** ![Reg](https://bbad.com/user_avatar/bbad.com/reg/32/6053_2.png) [@Reg](https://bbad.com/u/Reg)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547/20 "2024-06-30T21:01:06Z")
> [@Greg](#): > > Back under Harper it was not this bad I can’t speak for Hope or Kelowna or anywhere in the BC interior, but I lived in Vancouver right through the Harper years and it was vastly worse than it is today. Ken Sim (mayor of Vancouver), David Eby (NDP Premier of BC) and Justin Trudeau (Liberal Prime Minister of Canada) have Vancouver looking vastly better than it ever looked under Harper and Christy Clark. I drive the Downtown Eastside several times a week and I spend almost every day in downtown Vancouver. I feel I know this city at a detail level better than the large majority of people. Harper was a disaster as a PM as far as I’m concerned. The city and the country both look far better now that he’s gone. The best thing he will ever do for the world is depart it, and I wish he would hurry up with that. [Next page](https://bbad.com/t/canada-2018/547.md?page=2)